It's van Rompuy and Ashton | 105 comments (102 topical, 3 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

Can't argue with that too much. I know it has Istanbul, but for the most, Turkey is not in Europe and, barring some funny tectonics or major border changes, will not be.

Same for Russia and Kazakhstan, and in the past, Denamrk (with Greenland) and France (with Algeria). So what? "Only a minority of its territory is in Europe" doesn't equal "not part of Europe".

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 05:04:00 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

News flash: Russia is Europe.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:00:35 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (4.00 / 2)

And so is Turkey. (I wonder when van Rompuy, or people below Merkel & Sarkozy in their parties, will call for dumping Turkey from the Council of Europe -- or UEFA...)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:51:56 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

" "Only a minority of its territory is in Europe" doesn't equal "not part of Europe". "

Actually, it does. Inclusion is transitive.
Besides, Greenland is not part of Denmark, merely administered from there (and I would argue that it's the population that matters, rather than area, which is negligible in Greenland anyway).

Now, I know that a strict reading would exclude most countries because of small islands here and there. So if you insist: Turkey is as much part of Europe as France is of the Pacific Ocean.

Again, whether it can be part of the EU is another matter entirely.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:27:36 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

Oops, I missed that "in the past" applied to Greenland as well -though it's a distant past if you want to have it as an integral part.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:28:55 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

For suitable values of "distant." Greenland was accorded home rule in 1979 and still does not control its foreign policy or natural resources. And de facto it is every bit as "independent" of Denmark as Belarus is of Russia. That is to say "not much."

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 08:31:44 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 0)

Actually, it does. Inclusion is transitive.

Huh? Transitiveness of inclusion would mean that it is equivalent with "IS part of Europe"...

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:34:28 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

Well, either it is or it is not.

Since the proposition "it is part of Europe" is demonstrably false...

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:07:17 AM EST
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Re: Rompuy on European values, Turkey (none / 1)

In other words, since Ankara is part of Turkey, if Turkey is part of Europe then Ankara is part of Europe. Yet, it's not.

The proposition "3% of Turkey's territory and 17% of its population" is part of Europe, though, would be correct.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:16:36 AM EST
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It's van Rompuy and Ashton | 105 comments (102 topical, 3 editorial, 0 hidden)

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