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Europe is Doomed! Special 'Nobodies' Edition | 211 comments (211 topical, editorial, 1 hidden)
Re: She looks only half female to me... (2.00 / 3)
Misogyny? Are you kidding? I love women. Especially the beautiful half dressed type.
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:26:11 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)
Warnings from Colman, Dodo & Migeru? I see there's no tolerance for a little humour. Lighten up guys... You're taking yourselves too seriously.
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 08:11:48 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 2)
Strop assuming that what you find funny is funny and not revolting for others.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 08:15:03 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)
Revolting? Now that's funny.
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 08:28:37 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 5)
How about offensive and disrespectful to the women who also contribute to ET?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 11:40:00 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (1.25 / 4)
Oh? I offended the women who post on ET? How so?
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 02:02:28 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)
And I get a "warning" grade for THIS comment from DoDo. This is a Communist Comedy!
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 04:26:14 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)
That's like saying that I've been disrespectful to all Brits because I said that "Tony Blair is an ugly jerk". Bollocks.
by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 04:24:34 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 11)
Why would I want to contribute to a blog where it is acceptable for anyone to make such a degrading remark about a woman and for it to go unchallenged?  

The fact that a number of people have said to you in various ways that such a remark is out of line here does not mean that we are all PC, OTT and having hissy fits over nothing.  

Why do you even see the need to comment on her looks at all? If we tolerate that kind of comment, then it appears everywhere - which is exactly what happens to women politicians in the media.  As soon as they show their faces, their policies don't matter, just their looks, boobs, shoes, dresses.  I'm sick to death of that, it is a reflection of how our society views and devalues women.

If you can't accept that we don't wish to perpetuate that devaluation of women on ET then go somewhere that doesn't give a shit.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 05:50:37 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)
Why do you even see the need to comment on her looks at all?

Because I'm a human being and a male. Human beings attribute a lot of importance to looks - whether they be the looks of their partners, their colleagues, their friends or indeed their politicians. In fact, I've read entire business reports on the subject which conclude that those with better looks have a much better chance of succeeding in whatever they do than those who look like crap. In politics especially, our society is presented a packaged image of individuals to vote for. Content comes second place - if it comes at all. It's all about the image. If you can't handle a comment like mine about the physical traits of Lady Ashton then I guess you must experience a lot of frustration in our post-modern society.

Does not mean that we're all PC or OTT...

That's an interesting one, really. I live a relatively privileged life and mingle with many cultivated people. Discussions where sexist humour has been interjected (not necessarily by me) have taken place on occasions - and not once has the crowd reacted with such collective badgering and bullying. Not once. So I can only conclude one of the following:

  1. Those who call themselves "ET-ers" adhere to group-think values
  2. ET has rebuffed all those who do not think and act like "ET-ers" creating, in the process, a group which shares very common (if not identical) values

That's all fine & well, but inbreeding has never contributed to innovation.

If you can't accept that we don't wish to perpetuate that devaluation of women on ET then go somewhere that doesn't give a shit.

That proves my point.

by vladimir on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 03:39:21 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 5)
Being "cultured" is not the same thing as having good taste and not being misogynistic. Just look at baroque era architecture and Victorian high society, respectively.

And some things that fly (or at least are allowed to slide) in face to face conversation translate poorly to the online format.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 04:38:04 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 5)
vladimir:
I live a relatively privileged life and mingle with many cultivated people.

Colour me astounded.

If we find ourselves unable to live up to your exclusive and cultured standards of diversity and tolerance, is it too much to hope that you'll be spending more time with those who do?

It's certainly too much to hope that you might understand that one of hallmarks of privilege is taking secret - and sometimes not so secret - pride in transgressive and inappropriate behaviour.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 04:48:55 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)
I live a relatively privileged life and mingle with many cultivated people.
See how we envy you.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 05:14:42 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)
Your comment just blew me away.
by vladimir on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 05:36:24 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 2)
[ET Moderation Technology™]

ET is not whatever group of people you consider cultivated may be, it's a public online forum. It is moderated by user ratings and by an editorial team. To post here, you accept that. If you don't accept it, then don't post here. It's not something we are going to spend days arguing about.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 09:33:13 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 5)
Well, I did notice the second degree. Even though in that particular case I did not find it funny I wouldn't want to be too PC and admit that someone else might have found it humorous.

In that case, I suggest you make it abundantly clear, with something like '(('macho vladimir'))' (without the ' of course), which would have appeared as [vladimir's Macho Moment of the Day™ Technology]

I guess this would have helped somewhat.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:01:39 AM EST
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No (4.00 / 7)
[ET Moderation Technology™]

Lightening up the place with humour is fine, and I'm a great fan of that. What is not fine is humour grounded in disparaging how a woman is "supposed" to "look" to be considered female.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:38:40 AM EST
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Europe is Doomed! Special 'Nobodies' Edition | 211 comments (211 topical, 0 editorial, 1 hidden)
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