Europe is Doomed! Special 'Nobodies' Edition | 211 comments (211 topical, editorial, 1 hidden)

Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)

nope, that's machism. subtle difference.

Pierre

by Pierre on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 08:35:10 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 4)

Women on the site will be forgiven for perhaps not wishing to notice the difference.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 08:47:00 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)

Its neither machism nor is it mysoginy. "Machism" isn't an English word. It's a French word which is used to describe a male who projects his virility and tends to believe that women are his inferiors.

There was nothing "machist" is the photo I posted nor in the accompanying comment - which was simply to say that, in my opinion, Ashton lacks feminine traits. Indeed, the woman is, in my opinion, ugly. Saying this is what - politically incorrect? Machist? Misogynous? WTF?

Why should my photo and comment be interpreted as being more "machist" than the entire discussion above around Ashton's "token" appointment because she's female? If you read Ashton's speech accepting her nomination and responding to her detractors, you will notice that she does not say ANYWHERE that she was chosen because she is a woman. Any "warnings" distributed those comments? Noooo.

I have nothing to say on the "misogynous" accusation since it is so obviously devoid of any sense.

Thank you to ThatBritGuy for understanding and appreciating a bit of humour. What a relief.

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:09:12 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 3)

vladimir:

Indeed, the woman is, in my opinion, ugly.

On which grounds she presumably shouldn't have gotten the job, or what?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:14:44 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 5)

Maybe we should have had a beauty contest instead.

For the men as well.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:17:30 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 2)

Well...

The EU is good at functional politics, but very bad at narrative politics, with theatre and pageantry. Theatre and pageantry are stupid and annoying, but very necessary.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:27:12 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)

Who cares if the men we appoint are feminine?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:27:42 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)

Who said anything about being feminine?

Swimsuits should, however, be obligatory.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:29:54 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 0)

Well that depends on who's under the swimsuit. Oops, here goes another zero... I mean warning.

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:32:21 AM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (4.00 / 3)

Now that is a good idea. Because it is obviously ok for the media to tear female politicians apart because of their clothes, hair and looks but it doesn't get done to male politicians.

Though in the interests of gender equality I have on a at least two occasions voiced my objection to Geert Wilders purely on the basis of his horrible hair.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 12:03:17 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (none / 1)

Well, a female with Geert Wilders' hair would have been ridiculed too.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:02:31 PM EST
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Re: She looks only half female to me... (2.50 / 2)

Nothing to do with the job at hand Migeru. I'm sure she'll do a fine job - ugly or beautiful.

One more time... the discussion was about the role that her sex had in getting her appointed. My comment was that she didn't look all that female. It was funny for some... grotesque to others. C'est la vie. That's all there was to it. No misogyny. No machism. Just a bit of (unfunny) humour. At least it made two people laugh!! And 6 distribute yellow cards??????

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:24:27 AM EST
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it wasn't funny (4.00 / 8)

"You have no sense of humor" is the defense of a bully. Get over it.

I don't much care what word is used to describe it, and I also don't care who you find attractive or not. Her appearance has no relevance to her ability to do the job, or to why she was selected for it. Aside from being fundamentally sexist, "jokes" about how powerful or influential women "aren't feminine" are as tired and unimaginative as they get. Yawn. Great sense of humor you've got there, pal.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:23:59 AM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

Oh... and have you heard any European leader say that she was elected because she's female? So why are you discussing it?

It was a joke.

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:26:12 AM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

have you heard any European leader say that she was elected because she's female?

Zapatero.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 12:25:53 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

In this very thread, too.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 12:28:59 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

Misogynous
then machist
and now..... bully!
This is getting better and better.

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:27:36 AM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 1)

If you ticked so many people the wrong way, maybe you shouldn't look for a problem in them...

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 12:26:43 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 1)

It's not that I ticked so many people off. It's that so many people on this thread follow the typical behaviour patterns of the common herd.

When there's an individual who defends a position which isn't "The Party Line" the "mob" (no hard feelings) gangs up for a lynching. It's been done to many a contributor. Just look at The Brit Guy... he's been what, posting on ET for years now and he mistakenly gave a 4-Excellent grade to the Ashton photo when he meant to give a 0... yeah right. When he realised that he was on the "mob's" wrong side, he turned his coat.

Whatever. Your community, your friends, your rules - which, by the way are applied unfairly. But there have been many fantastic essays and books written on the subject. I recommend "Le terrorisme intellectual" from jean Sevillia (dunno if it's been translated to English). Read it. Have fun... oh and have a nice WE.

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 01:38:06 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 1)

Oh Lord, I am really detecting the smell of burning martyr.

Call it groupthink, herd mentality, or whatever makes you feel better, but you should realize that the kind of humour you attempted there does not go down well on ET.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 01:47:50 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

Of course, you speak for ET. You ARE ET.

"Le ET c'est moi!"

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 02:03:14 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (4.00 / 3)

I'd suggest you download our TribExt extension, install it, and see what happens if you give someone a 0 and then click on Cancel.

I suppose I should be flattered that you thought I was the only one who appreciated your fine sense of comedy, before crumbling under the Stalinist demands of peer pressure.

But sadly - no.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 01:58:52 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 0)

How funny!

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 01:59:58 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (none / 1)

So this sort of thing happens often to you then? I mean, voting 4 when you in fact wanted to vote 0...

by vladimir on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 04:21:28 PM EST
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Re: it wasn't funny (4.00 / 3)

Drop it, you're trolling.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 04:27:25 PM EST
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