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I do have the slightest idea. Probably more than anyone else here. In fact I am one of the coders of what is probably the biggest epidemiology project in existence. Which happens to be open source, BTW. So, not all is bad.

I also know some people involved in climate modeling software development.

SO I PRETTY DAMN WELL KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

But even if I did not knew anything I could make the following assertion:
Any political decision in an open society which is supported in a technical and scientific process should make that process open to the general public.

In this case it is possible. At least for some of the models that are used, I am pretty sure it is.

And, I personally could not care less that you are a "senior scientist". Please present rational arguments and not arguments of authority. I know what I am talking about from proven first hand experience, and you, why should we trust you?

by t-------------- on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 12:51:01 PM EST
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I am not a senior scientist, nor did I intend to imply that I was. I think it was fairly clear that I was referring above to that famous climatolgist, not to myself.

Like yourself, I have considerable experience in working with, and writing, fairly sizable pieces of computer simulation software in a variety of languages. None of what I have worked on is remotely comparable in complexity to a major climate model, of which I have merely used the outputs...which was plenty enough work on it own.

The very thought of making my data and model available in any usable form makes me quiver. I have tried to do this once or twice, and it takes a huge amount of effort. I just can't see making such availability a requirement for all scientific working groups. Their actual research productivity would grind to a halt.

At least, that is my opinion, based on my experience, which may well be less than yours.

by PIGL (stevec@boreal.gmail@com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:44:38 PM EST
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Sorry for my heated response.
But I stand by the substance of it (though the form was a bit rough).
by t-------------- on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:49:36 PM EST
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I think most of the problem is that people don't really know  how to do data management (such things are not taught and maybe should be) and it seems difficult. A pain it surely is.

I am in the last steps of preparing a paper and I am, for the first time, undecided if I am going to make the software available (the data I won't, as it can be generated from the software with not much computing power). Just bundling the software is a major pain and I am pretty sure no one will care to repeat my stuff, so I probably will skip it this time. If I submit to PLOS Comp Biol, they will probably force me, but other journals, I very much doubt.

They should force me.

by t-------------- on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:01:47 PM EST
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