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Ideology of the Anger Left in the USA | 67 comments (67 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
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a tiny ideological spectrum (from Krugman to Hayek)

LOL. Tiny indeed. From hug-the-state socialists to destroy-the-state libertarian wackos.

Still it's fortunate for the American economic elite that the PC-left worries so terribly much about ethnic things. Yes, the banksters are evil. Lots of banksters are Jewish. Does this mean Jews are evil? Of course not. Well, some are. But that has nothing to do with them being Jewish. Indeed, the fact that so many bankers (and others in the elite) are Jewish have simple cultural and historical explanations, ironically based in the fact that Jews faced lots of antisemitism historically speaking and were forced into certain professions, professions that made them far more prosperous than people in general.

The facts remain. Obama stabbed progessive Americans in the back. He has flooded the White House with people from GS. He has donated vast amounts of taxpayer cash to banks. But I guess me saying this makes me a racist, an antisemite (ask shergald if she thinks I'm one) and I will become persona non grata among all my politically correct friends in academia. Good thing for me I don't have any.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:39:17 PM EST
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For a scholarly discussion of the Jewish question in European and American sociology, I'm reading Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critique".

He has much to say about the holiness of Holocaust, and the trained kneejerk responses that slap the label of 'anti-semite' on anyone who dare mention the possibility of ethnic cohesion of the Cohens.

If Jews want to stick together and raise smart kids and take over the reins of government, that's not a bad thing. Somebody's got to. Why not smart people with skills in the business of government business?

So they bought Obama? Was it a good purchase? The left is so purist and fragmented it can't function. Why shouldn't some group get together and say "we can do it better".

Perhaps the question is who was running the country when the Savings and Loan bubble burst, and who repealed Glass-Steagall, and who turned a blind eye to derivatives so complex they couldn't be understood?

It was a huge con job, but I tend to look for stupidity before I assume evil. I don't think anyone running the financial system wanted it to fail. I think the tragedy of the commons will suffice.

I'd dismiss the Angry Left and substitute the ideological left.

by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Thu Dec 17th, 2009 at 03:04:25 AM EST
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ormondotvos:
trained kneejerk responses that slap the label of 'anti-semite' on anyone who dare mention the possibility of ethnic cohesion of the Cohens.

What bothers me is the antisemitic label slapped on anyone who criticizes Israel.

But "ethnic cohesion" and "Jews want to stick together and raise smart kids and take over the reins of government" are something else again.

Kevin Macdonald (a considerable presence on white America site VDARE), says of the book you reference:

The Culture of Critique series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People often say after reading the first book that they think I really admire Jews, but they are unlikely to say that about the last two and especially about CofC.

I wonder what kind of "people" Macdonald talks to?

Anyway, I'll give him and his books a miss.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 17th, 2009 at 04:27:02 AM EST
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"If Jews want to stick together and raise smart kids and take over the reins of government, that's not a bad thing." Who could see anything anti-semitic in that?
by rootless2 on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 03:53:14 PM EST
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Oh, maybe someone who wonders why we have to be told there's a "Jewish question".

Again?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:31:59 PM EST
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indeed. Good thing that anti-semitism is just a relic of the past and only appears now as a way of discrediting people who criticize Israel. /sarcasm
by rootless2 on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 05:06:07 PM EST
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I mean, who is really the antisemite? The one who criticise evil banksters or the one who automatically connect evil bankster with Jews?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sat Dec 19th, 2009 at 06:28:01 PM EST
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It's kind of telling that you can ask this question under a post based on a VDARE author http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDARE I'd say the real anti-semite is the one who associates with holocaust denying, racist, uh, anti-semites. What we call someone who wants to pretend all that unpleasantness is now a mere relic of the past except when used as a PR stunt, I'm not sure.
by rootless2 on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 05:32:18 AM EST
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How the Hell am I supposed to know who or what VDARE is? And what in the world does the holocaust have to do with this or anything?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 11:11:49 PM EST
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Actually, I think that the post-war European left's insistence that race and anti-semitism are things of the past is a crippling problem. Rather like insisting that colonialism is a thing of the past. "the facts remain. Obama stabbed progessive Americans in the back." Is that a "fact"? By what definition of "fact"? "He has donated vast amounts of taxpayer cash to banks." Really? According to who?
by rootless2 on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 03:56:27 PM EST
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Actually, I think that the post-war European left's insistence that race and anti-semitism are things of the past is a crippling problem.

this is profoundly true, unfortunately.

watching the news about the arbeit macht frei sign theft, they showed the camp, and mentioned the decision to leave it intact rather than destroy it.

the sight moved me deeply, there were a few trees, and this death factory. the horror of what humans reduced themselves to hit me so hard, it was nauseating, dizzying.

that wasn't so long ago, yet fascism polishes its boots here in europe under our noses, (never mind the USA), seeing brutality and unpunished collusion between industry, government and criminality, right now, and then it hit me that i kept waiting for israel to quit punishing the palestinians for what the germans had done, instead of paying more attention to the everyday racism that is semi-hidden in many outwardly 'normal' people.

indeed i suspect the sign was stolen for its collector value, some sick, evil person will celebrate his unholy treasure.

seeing the mussolini memorabilia on sale in the antique shops, his sayings lovingly repainted freshly on village buildings, then his newly minted portraits in shops, i wonder why the holocaust was horrible enough for some people, so afraid of modernity, change, freedom, creativity, just soullessly addicted to brute power.

we can't judge israel without first facing down and denouncing fascism right here.

my local gas station attendant, a nice guy, (to me), had a fucking swastika up in his office, next to a pic of berlusconi!

what do you do? collar him and try to 'educate' him?

i chose to go to other gas stations, as if that helps!

i get the feeling that liberality could flourish only in boom years, and i fear the return of 'la miseria'  as government cheats so much its people return to the poverty and want they lived with before the sixties, the beginning of the vespa and fiat 600 years, when even the poorer had some hope of bettering their lives with some consumer novelty.

now we contemplate the peopling of europe with immigrants to pay our pensions, which would be less necessary if we treated these poorer countries right and hadn't caused so much need for immigration in the first place.

and this incites more racism and wastes more nergy that could be used for really dealing with our problems at home, spending the country's wealth more fairly.

this is the antidote to fascism, imo.

when a country's wealth is drained off to foreign corporations and international criminals, how can it pick itself up out of the mud, no matter how rich or influential it was in the past?

italy has not really _processed _ its deal with the devil it made, and its role in the causative chain that ended up with auschwitz, (the closest it got was benigni's 'la vita e bella').

that's why the EU is so important, it's our local UN, and by grouping together these old battle-scarred nations we can set a global example of how we believe the whole world could be.

with all its flaws, obvious and otherwise, its aspirations are more enlightened than anywhere, though i am also in admiration of many aspects of latin american socialism.

my dream is that in 20 years they'll 'meet in the middle', but we'll have to see.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 05:43:17 PM EST
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