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You're talking about building something several more times expensive than the Chunnel for 1/10 the population. This doesn't seem like a winning plan.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 05:42:49 AM EST
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Just putting things in perspective - the proper comparison for Dublin-Liverpool in terms of expected traffic is Liverpool-Glasgow.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 05:57:47 AM EST
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But Liverpool-Glasgow has the advantage of having the large Manchester-Leeds hub in the middle.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 06:00:28 AM EST
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There haven't been direct Liverpool - Glasgow trains for a good few years, suggesting demand is not enormous.
by koksapir on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 06:10:15 AM EST
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An alternative interpretation is that the absence of direct Liverpool-Glasgow services pushes people to other modes of transport (namely, private car, coach, or air).

How many people take the bus or fly direct between the two?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 06:24:05 AM EST
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In fact there are no regular direct flights from Liverpool to either Glagow or Edinburgh. Is that evidence that nobody wants to make the trip in either direction, or that a combination of public policy and business expediency has decided not to provide the service so that people who want to make the trip have to drive?

Or, maybe, if you want to have a business trat requires you to travel across the UK frequently, you have to move to Manchester or Birmingham or London.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 06:46:17 AM EST
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If you want to take the train, you can change at Preston, Wigan or Warrington, of course. Plenty people would drive - it's 3.5 to 4 hours. A check search suggests there's only a couple of direct coaches a day.

Can we take this pair of cities as representative? Is the public transport provision on the route disguised through being shared with Manchester? Are they simply at a distance which favours car travel?

Clearly it's true that for a business with regular need to travel across the UK, basing yourself at one end of the distributed population brings additional costs, not least in time, over basing yourself more centrally.

by koksapir on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 07:16:29 AM EST
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Can we take this pair of cities as representative?

I don't know, we're only talking about the 5th/6th largest metropolitan areas in the UK...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 08:52:28 AM EST
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It's also 3.5 to 4 hours by train, with one change and over a dozen services daily.

What is it you were saying about evidence for no demand? It's not slower than driving and there's at least one train an hour during the workday.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 02:06:12 PM EST
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