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8M travel Dublin London (the busiest route in the EU)

Heh, and here I thought the _Puente Aereo Madrid-Barcelona_ was the busiest.

According to page 4 of this Eurostat press release (PDF, 4 December 2009), the busiest intra-EU air links were

Madrid-Barcelona       3.5M -24%
Roma-Milano Linate     2.5M  -1.1%
Paris Orly-Toulouse    2.3M  -0.1%
Paris Orly-Nice        2.3M  -1.3%
London Heathrow-Dublin 1.8M  -8.2%
Though maybe other airport combinations between Dublin and London make up the difference.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 02:22:15 PM EST
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(passenger number for 2008 and percentage change from 2007)

See DoDo's Puente AVE.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 02:43:41 PM EST
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Migeru:
maybe other airport combinations between Dublin and London make up the difference

Gatwick, Stansted, Luton... Am I forgetting any?

They'd have to share 6.2 million passengers to make up the 8m sum, and that would put at least one of them (if not two or three) in the table above Heathrow-Dublin.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 02:51:08 PM EST
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city?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 02:59:21 PM EST
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Not in the top 30 airports by passenger traffic, according to the Eurostat pdf. So unlikely to make a big difference. It's still odds-on one of the airports would be doing more than Heathrow.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 03:04:23 PM EST
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Dublin airport passenger traffic to fall, says authority - The Irish Times - Thu, Jan 29, 2009

The DAA said yesterday that a record 23.5 million passengers used Dublin airport last year, an increase of 1 per cent on 2007.

Passenger traffic rose by 5 per cent in the first half of the year, but declined by 3 per cent between July and December as the effects of the global credit crunch, rising fuel prices and the economic downturn here took hold.

Passenger numbers declined in each of the last four months of 2008. "Given the current economic climate, the outlook for 2009 remains difficult, and passenger numbers at Dublin airport are expected to decline in line with the contraction in Irish GDP," the DAA said.

Traffic to the UK declined last year by 1 per cent to 8.6 million passengers, while the number of people using domestic routes fell by 5 per cent to 870,000.

My original source was Wikipedia - this is the best other source I have found, but it doesn't give a separate breakdown for London

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 03:18:38 PM EST
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Wikipedia does say
There are approximately 50 daily departures from Dublin to all five London airports (Stansted, Luton, Gatwick, Heathrow and London City), The Dublin-London route is the second busiest route in the world after the Hong Kong-Taipei route.
50 daily departures times (say) 350 days times (say) 200 passengers per flight gives 3.5M passengers.
During the 1980s, major competition, especially on the Dublin-London routes, resulted in passenger numbers swelling to 5.1 million in 1989.
Also
Top 10 International Arrivals Figures for 2008.
Rank	Origin				     Number of Passengers
1	   London Heathrow Airport, England, United Kingdom	894,536
2	London Gatwick Airport,  England, United Kingdom	541,593
3	   London Stansted Airport, England, United Kingdom	462,756
for a total of 1.9M

Conclusions: the Eurostar figures count both departing and arriving passengers, otherwise the Heathrow figures for 2008 would be way off between different sources. The total Dublin-London traffic is over twice that for Dublin-Heathrow and it probably does exceed the Madrid-Barcelona traffic but it didn't in 2007 (Madrid-Barcelona was 33% higher a year earlier).

100 passengers per flight is a better average than 200 at least for the Dublin-London distance range.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:04:36 PM EST
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Both Ryanair and Aer lingus - the dominant carriers - only use large jets on the route - with 180+ seats and very high load factors.  Heathrow landing slots are too valuable to use with smaller plans and Ryanair has a policy of only using large planes.

Perhaps the "second busiest route in the world" only applies to international routes?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:19:52 PM EST
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Well, as you know Madrid-Barcelona is on its way to becoming an international route. And half of the passengers are already foreigners anyway.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:44:11 PM EST
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You mean Catalans travelling to an independent Catalonia?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:54:40 PM EST
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I mean Catalonia is Spain but Catalans are foreigners. Or something like that. I can never figure out what the PPers are all about.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:55:37 PM EST
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Conclusions: the Eurostar figures count both departing and arriving passengers

Surely you mean DDA and Wikipedia (Irish Sea Tunnel article) figures.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:27:38 PM EST
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Eurostat gives 1.8M passengers on the Heathrow-Dublin link, whereas WIkipedia quotes 0.9M arriving passengers. Therefore the Eurostar figures must count travellers in both directions.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:42:56 PM EST
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Which are the Eurostar figures you speak of?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:49:50 PM EST
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these upthread.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:52:26 PM EST
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Gah, dyslexia!

I mean Eurostat, of course.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:54:01 PM EST
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Heh. In the meantime, what I thought I "got" was that for a meaningful comparison with Eurostar figures, airport arrivals and departures statistics must be added.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:57:28 PM EST
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Sorry, I get it now.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:55:16 PM EST
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Frank omitted "international". Dublin-Heathrow is the busiest intra-EU international link, and was in 2007 too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:29:58 PM EST
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On the Toulouse connection (and probably Nice too) there are also flights to and from Paris CdG. Upwards of 4,400 flights a year. I don't know how many passengers that would add, but at a rough guess at least half a million.

And SNCF would rather leave that traffic to planes...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 03:01:03 PM EST
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The government seems more fond of the LGV PACA, having decided to pursue the more expensive coastal variant from Marseille to Nice.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 18th, 2009 at 04:01:31 PM EST
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