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or are they just mods of coal and oil burners?

it is bizarre, this surprise from near-insiders. it sounds like the real insiders have it sewn up, but are downplaying that fact, muddying the waters.

as regards re-structuring the grid, would that be important for nuclear as well, or just solar/wind?

if proposals have to be in by the 15th, that leaves very little time...

it would be interesting to see a list and some details of the ones already sent up for review, if they're online.

they're all experts at sounding like real, radical change is what they want to happen right away, and i know this is huge, and will displace/replace all kinds of workforces, but it still seems mostly rhetoric.

while most of the public remains comfortably numb, i expect it's pretty easy to keep the wool firmly over their eyes about the big energy picture for europe. thereby milking them till the end on the present system, as long as it lasts, (and we continue to get along with the russians).

if they are seriously expanding the gas systems here, and keeping their heads in the sand about its longterm sustainability, while throwing the occasional, now-you-see-it, now-you-don't crumbs of incentives to a pretty clueless, incurious, and passive public, expecting bizniz as usual till the last drop of fossil fuels are burned, then i really wonder how much misinfo-ganda it's going to take to keep the boat from rocking, as prices continue to rise, wages to fall, and unharvested wind and sunshine continue to produce themselves abundantly right in front of our glued-to-the ground eyes.

still the only way to see how token these efforts to change are is to answer them. i wish there were a group of 100 Jeromes and Crazy Horse's to brainstorm this offer, flooding their desks with hundreds of meticulously prepared business plans, and Chris Cook along to show them new ways to afford them.

it's not the middle class we need to worry about so much as the middle-men class. are they all going to retire with their loot, running gentlemen farms and collecting art, or learn to grow veggies under the windmills with the hoi polloi?

there are going to be tens of thousands of risk-pushers and margin-shavers needing new employment, what are we going to do with them?

:)

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 30th, 2009 at 10:42:07 AM EST
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A typical generating system powered by natural gas is a gas turbine engine connected to a generator. It's basically a jet engine like what's used on airplanes, with a gearbox (like what's on a turboprop airplane) and a generator. They're not the same engines as used on airplanes because the operating conditions are different, but they work pretty much the same.

Installation is standardized and fast. They can be started and shut down at a moment's notice, and can be throttled up and down depending on load. They're efficient and reliable, and burn a fuel that is, comparatively speaking, pretty clean. They come in different sizes.

by asdf on Wed Dec 30th, 2009 at 11:54:15 AM EST
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thanks asdf.

so is the biggest problem with them the special docking gas tankers need, and pipeline security?

they're still flaring off great plumes of it with no gain, right?

how long will it last, or is that an oil drum question?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 30th, 2009 at 09:53:04 PM EST
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I don't know anything about the natural gas business. Presumably there's not much flaring of it any more, but maybe in some cases its more work to capture it than it's worth. The natural gas enthusiasts say that there's lots still left, particularly in North America, but who knows...
by asdf on Thu Dec 31st, 2009 at 01:51:52 AM EST
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