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I claim the intent of the bailout is to end the American experiment.  The history of mankind has proven over the millenia that elite scumbag "leader" types have always been able to control their respective populations until that great American experiment.  With globalization now firmly installed energy re-allocation and or US depopulation now follows.  Your turn to be world police Europe.
by Lasthorseman on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 08:05:48 PM EST
One does wonder about the state of the American experiment.

However, you only have to look back 50 years to see a period when de jure racial discrimination was still common, when women knew their place, the government could enforce journalistic censorship, etc., etc.

We have regressed in some areas recently, but I'm not so sure that the current situation in any particular area is worse than it was in, say 1950.

Continuous forward progress in all areas might not always be possible, and we may suffer some retrograde motion at certain times...

What interests me is how we Westerners expect other cultures to jump from, say, 1300 to 1968 overnight--when we took 668 years to do the same thing. Isn't it true that women had to cover their heads and wear gloves to church in Italy and Spain even in the 1950s? But for a Turkish woman to wear a headcovering is for some reason not allowed...

by asdf on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 08:43:42 PM EST
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I think that's overstating the number of centuries of difference. The median of Western(TM) society in 1800 would be a lot more familiar to someone from the median walk of life in Western(TM) society in 1300 than it would be to a person from the median walk of life in Western(TM) society today.

At most, we're talking two centuries. That's pretty daunting, but far cry from seven. In reality, I suspect that it's closer to a century and a half - just long enough for first- and second-hand experience of the old ways.

The Danish head rabbi (I think) was on the radio a couple of years ago. And his advice was: Consider the list of disagreements between different cultural groups. Try writing it up. Then strike from the list every item that is not absolutely and completely unacceptable to either group. His claim was that you would end up with a very small list, and that most of the symbolisms that get so much media play would not be on it.

I think it's an interesting exercise. It should probably be taken with a grain of salt, just as all such gedankenexperimenten should, but hopefully it can serve to put the proper perspective on matters.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 7th, 2009 at 12:22:00 PM EST
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"His claim was that you would end up with a very small list, and that most of the symbolisms that get so much media play would not be on it."

"Certain groups" perhaps USING issues for political domination?  Perish the thought.
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by Lasthorseman on Sat Feb 7th, 2009 at 04:07:31 PM EST
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