Changes in Bosnia? | 38 comments (38 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Changes in Bosnia? (none / 1)

Well you already have irredentist tendencies pretty much everywhere that's not ethnically cleansed enough. You don't need to open new wounds. The two borders that vladimir mentioned minus perhaps the one between Albania and Kosovo, or even the one between Republica Srpska and Serbia and some other deals. Greece is not going to demand Northern Epirus. Serbia is not going to demand kraijna back etc. The idea is for countries/ethnicities to be "compensated" for territory lost by some other deal or means.

And somehow I really think that EU expansion is closed for the foreseeable future.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sat Mar 14th, 2009 at 07:37:26 PM EST
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Re: Changes in Bosnia? (none / 1)

In fact, both the borders between Kosovo-Albania and Republika Srpska-Serbia are alreaady well defined.

by vladimir on Sun Mar 15th, 2009 at 02:14:10 AM EST
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I suspect there may be no new accessions before 2019.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 15th, 2009 at 04:43:19 AM EST
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I do not know why being accessed in EU looks like a solution/remedy for every bloody "sickness" in Europe?
Maybe just because that would force peaceful solution. It will be very interesting how problem between Croatia and Slovenia will be resolved...EU membership did not solve problems in Spain ,,,or elsewhere...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 07:46:11 AM EST
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vbo:

EU membership did not solve problems in Spain

And you say that because...?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:00:17 AM EST
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Because separatist tendentious are still there and very alive...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:01:58 AM EST
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But that was not an obstacle to Spain's EEC accession.

Lots of problems that existed before 1986 have been solved by EEC accession.

The closest analogues to the situation between Slovenia and Croatia are Spain's territorial disputes with the UK over Gibraltar and with Portugal over Olivenza. Neither of the two were an obstacle to accession, neither has been resolved, and neither is a problem.

You might want to make parallels where there actually is a parallel.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:05:38 AM EST
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Re: Changes in Bosnia? (none / 0)

You misunderstood me.We were talking about Irredentist/separatist tendencies on Balkan and change of the borders.You said there will be no accession to EU soon.I just wanted to say that I don't see it as a way to solve those tendencies...Cause they are present in the countries that are already in EU ( like Spain).

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:23:58 AM EST
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I was simply responding to talos:

somehow I really think that EU expansion is closed for the foreseeable future

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:30:05 AM EST
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Re: Changes in Bosnia? (none / 0)

Upss, sorry!

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:59:46 AM EST
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I didn't make it clear by quoting him upthread...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 09:25:36 AM EST
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vbo:

It will be very interesting how problem between Croatia and Slovenia will be resolved

It won't. Slovenia's parliament may always refuse to ratify Croatia's accession treaty.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:02:11 AM EST
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Re: Changes in Bosnia? (none / 0)

How is this now OK?
It's a blackmailing...no chance for negotiations etc...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 08:04:49 AM EST
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It's a solution because you maximize the rights of individual people instead of putting them into collectives of one tribe against another.

I can give you a legion of examples of people abandoning their heritage, ethnicity and history in order to make a better life for themselves. Being in the EU means movement over borders, employment in hotspots, etc. That is indeed a panacea for the ethnic squabbles that ail the region. Open borders help.

by Upstate NY on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 at 10:32:34 AM EST
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