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Most of the gang activity in NJ is conducted by males, between the ages of 13 - 22.  The driving age here is 17.  The distance between the two cities is about 40 miles.  

Most importantly as to why they wouldn't just drive to Trenton, this group is as a whole, a highly impoverished part of our society, with few owning cars.  Among the obstacles to car ownership is the cost of insurance (NJ has the highest insurance rates in the nation).  A male driver, under 25, with NO record of drug or alcohol related charges, would pay about $2,600 annually for basic insurance. Anyone convicted of drug possession (I venture an unsubstantiated guess that includes almost all gang members) would have rates and surcharges totaling several thousand dollars higher, which is unaffordable for most unemployed gang-bangers.

Lastly, NJ has very tough restrictions on new drivers; including the hours they can operate a vehicle and the ages of the passengers that can accompany them in the car.

The RiverLine cost $1.10, and runs till about 1:00 AM, which makes it an ideal facilitator.

by boszleyusa (boszley@aol.com) on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 12:55:57 PM EST
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The River LINE ticket costs $1.35 by now. 1am, that's on Saturday. On weekdays and Sunday, the last train leaving Camden and running the full line arrives in Trenton at 22:06. After that, the line belongs to freight trains. However, there is always the bus. So I still can't figure out how it's the River LINE that is supposed to generate the new crime you aren't willing to evidence with stats.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 03:25:33 PM EST
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On weekdays and Sunday, the last train leaving Camden and running the full line arrives in Trenton at 22:06.

BTW, a limitation locals have long demanded to lift, now with success: PTC will be installed on the line to enable parallel running of freight and "light rail".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 03:31:20 PM EST
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Am I the only one who has a hard time picturing gang members, intent on breaking every law in the books, conscientiously following every law about driving and insurance? I doubt that enforcement of insurance laws is very effective, as there were 9% uninsured drivers in the state 5 years ago.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 04:01:13 PM EST
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My big question is if you're going to travel somewhere else to comitt crime (and if you do the stuff you're after is easily marketable electronics basically, things that you can swap for cash or drugs with noone asking too many questions) If you havent got a car, how are you going to get stuff back, Stations are one of the more likely places to run across CCTV, and your average gang member is going to feel a little exposed and suspicious  carrying a 50" plasma tv on a train carriage. (plus theres a bottleneck at the exit where there are very few avenues of escape. so for the average criminal, trains are the last place they want to be, (with a few exceptions)Plus a lot of gang membership is about status, you stay in your own teritory, because thats the place where people know not to mess with you, Unless you're wandering out to pick up your major score from the dealer up the chain. (And generally thats frowned upon at any height above pretty near street level.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Apr 19th, 2009 at 08:45:16 AM EST
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If these are street gangs out of Camden, causing danger to citizens in Trenton (violent crime and drugs), I truly don't believe they give a dang about stealing cars and driving without a license. Either these are kids scared of the law, or they're really dangerous trouble-makers. I can't get a sense of which, from your description.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 05:13:41 PM EST
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What exactly is an "unemployed" gangbanger? If these guys aren't dealing drugs (or pursuing some equally lucrative variety of criminal activity), what on earth are they doing?
by Gag Halfrunt on Sun Apr 19th, 2009 at 06:43:53 AM EST
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Well it can't be that lucrative, according to various major film and record companies, criminals pirate their material to subsidise the drugs trade

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Apr 19th, 2009 at 08:46:40 AM EST
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