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When mutual respect and trust breaks down people retreat into their bunkers and do their own thing.  There have been too many personalised exchanges for people to feel safe about adopting unpopular positions or making arguments which could be misconstrued. .

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 at 06:00:31 AM EST
If you think mutual respect and trust have broken down, Frank, why are you here?

(No, that is not to be read as hostile. It's a serious question).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 at 06:24:05 AM EST
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Doing his own thing from the bunker, like everyone else?

(not snark, but a serious answer)

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 at 06:39:24 AM EST
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because trust is a renewable resource?

if ET is a debating machine, there a few fuels that gum up the works, maybe it'll keep maturing to a level where it can process those too.

ET will never be an absolute. more than retreating bruised to emo-bunkers, i think it's backing off for better perspective, and to sharpen communication skills.

if someone misunderstands you, it's your responsibility to communicate better, here is the school we maybe didn't find 'at school'.

ability to let go of hard feelings easily is the sign of a mature ego, imo.

now if i could just pull it off as easy as type it!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 at 08:36:52 AM EST
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This is to a degree true for me, though demands on my time from other components of my life also play a strong factor.  I've a sense that Frank's hit on a strong point here, because real argument and debate demands mutual respect and trust.

(Compare to Limbaugh conjuring the image of obama buggering brown.)

Add to the mix:  we are all likely ignoring the effect of years of background depression caused by the over-the-top madness of the current reality... in which we are confronted every day since the ramp-up to the Iraq War.  I sure feel it.

Then add in that the current systemic breakdown is so severe that i'll bet none of us can actually get a handle on how bad it is.

Sure, i remain here for the quality of the debate, but i'm not so concerned if we seem to be in general agreement, or if disagreements are not seeing the light of day.  As in some comments of mine a while back, sometimes the disagreements were just too hard to read, much less honor.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 at 06:45:03 AM EST
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