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Why is that improbable? We're talking about Cheney et al.

Because if that's all it is, then we're talking a kind of group insanity to think this would be worth risking any American lives. Or that it could ever be acceptable. Because that reason has never leaked and somebody would have said, "wait a minute. . . ." That's the kind of secret that always gets out eventually.

If they were all on an "America is the sole superpower" trip and wanted to show the world, or if they thought they could bully Muslim nations into submission, then not only are they insane, they're just plain dumb. Granted, there are many who feel in their heart-of-hearts this way, but say what you will, from the evidence of how well they played both the bureaucratic game as well as (what passed for) the journalism game, they aren't dumb. In fact, they were quite determined, and able to figure out how to get from point A to point B. Point B was getting us into Iraq. I'm trying to figure out what point C is.

Can I believe that the game is to cleanse the West Bank of Palestinians? Yes. The West Bank is a huge salient that the IDF would love to have under sole Israeli control. And the religious extremists in Israel want nothing more than to settle all of eretz Yisrael.

Maybe that's the play. With Americans in Iraq, the Israelies have much more leeway to do as they will in the West Bank. Syria aren't about to lift a finger with the US army behind their backs. Jordan, the Saudis and Egyptians are all bought...that could be it.

Come to think of it, that's the only reason I can come up with (sick though it is, but remember, I'm trying to put myself in their shoes). Iraq was always the target. Has Israel merely siezed the opportunity the US presented? Or was it coordinated?

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sun Apr 26th, 2009 at 09:10:26 PM EST
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papicek:
Migeru
Why is that improbable? We're talking about Cheney et al.
Because if that's all it is, then we're talking a kind of group insanity to think this would be worth risking any American lives.
Yes, and?
Or that it could ever be acceptable. Because that reason has never leaked and somebody would have said, "wait a minute. . . ."
You sound like you were not in the US in 2001-3... People did question the drive to war and were duly ignored.
That's the kind of secret that always gets out eventually.
Did you miss my quotation of Richard Clarke?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:00:43 AM EST
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Hmmmm...Armitage and Clarke. Point well made.

My point is that the "circle" didn't disintegrate as it had during the Watergate mess. I guess that's what I was looking for. The omerta held.

Still, I think they had, inter alia, some overarching motive for the invasion.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 09:10:11 AM EST
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papicek:
My point is that the "circle" didn't disintegrate as it had during the Watergate mess. I guess that's what I was looking for. The omerta held.
You saw what happened to Libby. He was sacrificed and didn't try or wasn't able to save himself by implicating others.

Lewis Libby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On December 10, 2007, Libby's lawyers announced that he would drop his appeal of his conviction in the case, leaving intact his remaining sentence and fine and leaving on his record his felony conviction, unless he were granted a full presidential pardon.[20] The next day, December 11, 2007, Bush issued 29 pardons but did not include Libby among them.[21][22]
Aw, shucks. Rome doesn't pay traitors.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 09:25:17 AM EST
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I think we're looking at a long standing rift between Bush and Cheney. Cheney screwed Bush bad over. I don't think we've had another VP like him since Aaron Burr. Bush didn't go beyond minimal damage control and left the rest to time ticking off his- and shady Dick's- mandates.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:47:36 AM EST
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Agreed on the rift between Cheney/Rumsfeld and Bush. I think he finally got it that he was rolled.

Just goes to show you that you don't elect a regular guy with modest (in Bush's case, this is generous) accomplishments into power in DC. Sharks swim there.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 08:05:46 PM EST
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