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Finland also faces the same opportunistic small-mindedness and jingoistic rabble-rousing.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:25:50 PM EST
The scary thing is that it works well enough to bring them supporters. Even if they haven't quite made it to the mainstream, they are climbing the ladder.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:32:39 PM EST
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It is indeed scary. In Finland, Timo Soini could possibly win an EP seat. It is not out of the realm of possibility. But the harm may be less then we fear. The exposure of these candidates - if they are successful -  to debate and media scrutiny will, imo, quickly turn to ridicule, because they have no argument - even at the soundbite level.

Sometimes it's good to turn over stones...

Fascist crooners such as Berlusconi are far more dangerous.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:45:24 PM EST
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If you have a media landscape where at least a substantial minority of the newsies are able to find their arse with both hands, a flashlight, tower guidance and a ground control radar.

In Denmark, we were lucky in the last election cycle that Naser Khader proved so singularly incompetent - because the press positively drooled all over him until he started putting his foot in his mouth on a regular basis. If he had been even marginally competent, it is not impossible that an outright bomb-thrower-neoliberal party could have gotten four to six percent instead of the 2.5 they actually got...

Now, granted, a neolib and an outright fascist are not quite the same. But close enough for discomfort.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 07:13:47 PM EST
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BTW, what's up with Pia Kjærsgaard and the Dansk Folkeparti these days? Aren't they still high on xenophobia?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 04:00:24 AM EST
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The Volkspartei? Same old, same old.

I can't really tell whether they're getting more racist or I'm getting more sensitive to dog-whistles, but I've found them (even) more objectionable recently than I used to.

Their slogan for the EP election is "Give Denmark back to us." "Us" being symbolised by their candidate, Morten Messerschmidt: White, blond, Danish-speaking Christian.

Yes that's his real name, by the way. With a name like that and a worldview like his, you'd think that he'd keep a somewhat lower profile. But apparently not...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 04:42:14 AM EST
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LOL. Did his party not play some Germanophobic tunes, too?...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 04:50:32 AM EST
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I haven't been following their propaganda that closely, but my impression is that it's more Francophobic than Germanophobic.

And in any case, I am afraid that the irony is lost on his supporters.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 04:57:54 AM EST
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I was thinking back to votes on the Euro and Maastricht and the depate on the Schengen zone, when there was some rhetoric about big neighbor Germany taking over small Denmark by different means.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 05:02:46 AM EST
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"The decision to raise the permissible amount of radioactive material [from the Chernobyl fallout] in reindeer meat has less to do with the half-life of caesium than with the half-life of public memory."

- Jan Guillou [my translation]

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 05:13:13 AM EST
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This is an ancient phenomeon. Here's Karl Kraus in Die Fackel (158,15, 1904)
Die Verwandtschaft des Burenvolkes mit dem Stamm der Herren Popelak, Inderka, Molinek, Honsik, Haluschka, Miklautschitsch, Kudielka, Prochaska und Wiskozil ist nicht ohneweiters einleuchtend. Das sind die Namen der besten Deutschen, so wir haben, -- der Teilnehmerliste eines stramm-deutschnationalen Festes entnommen, das vor Jahren in Iglau gefeiert wurde. Herr Malik ist alldeutscher Abgeordneter, Herr Sedlak Redakteur der ,Ostdeutschen Rundschau`, Herr Stepischnegg Schwiegervater des K. H. Wolf. In Nr. 17 der ,Fackel` waren die Herren Kokoschinegg, Kovatschitsch, Mravlag, Besgorschak und Podgorschegg als die politischen Wortführer der Deutschen in Südsteiermark bezeichnet, lauter Namen, die einen guten Klang haben, so weit die deutsche Zunge reichen muß, um sich auszukegeln. Wenn man daneben bedenkt, daß politisch einflußreiche Slovenen Kaisersberger, Fischer, Mayer, Blachmann, Schuster, Rosenstein und Kramer heißen, daß der Deutsche, der einmal in Cilli angeschossen wurde, Pollanetz, der Slave, der auf ihn schoß, geradezu Jahn (Vater Jahn,schau oba!) heißt, wenn in Marburg die Herren Glantschnigg und Woschnagg deutschnational und ihre Brüder Glančnik und Vošnjak slovenischnational krakehlen, so mag man sich an den nachdenklichen Ausspruch des Tschechen Rieger erinnern: »Mir scheint, mir scheint, daß dem Cheruskerfürsten Hermann meine Ahnen näher standen als die des Freiherrn v. Chlumecky!«
Sorry, no translation. Even professional translators claim that Kraus is untranslatable....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 05:15:15 AM EST
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A perfect quote! As for a translation, lemme try. (In this case, methinks the problem is not language, but the need to add several explanatory notes.)

The kinship of the Boer people with the tribe of Mr. Popelak, Inderka, Molinek, Honsik, Haluschka, Miklautschitsch, Kudielka, Prochaska and Wiskozil [all German surnames of Slavic origin] is not immediately clear. These are the names of the best Germans we have --, taken from a list of participants of a taut German-national festival that was celebrated years ago in Iglau. Mr. Malik is an all-German [pan-Germanist] representative, Mr. Sedlak is an editor of the ,Ostdeutsche Rundschau` [ethnic-German paper in what became Western Poland], M.r Stepischnegg is the father-in-law of K. H. Wolf [a Bohemian-Austrian pan-Germanist]. In No. 17 of ,Fackel` [= torch; satirical journal in Vienna by an anti-Semitic ethnnic Jew], Mr. Kokoschinegg, Kovatschitsch, Mravlag, Besgorschak and Podgorschegg were described as the political spokesmen of the Germans in South Styria [part of Slovenia after WWI], all names that resonate well, as far as the German tongue must reach to bowl itself out. If one also considers that politically influential Slovenians are called Kaisersberger, Fischer, Mayer, Blachmann, Schuster, Rosenstein and Kramer; that the German who was shot at in Cilli onetime was named Pollanetz, while the Slav who shot him had to be called Jahn (Father Jahn, lookee by!); if in Marburg, Mr. Glantschnigg and Woschnagg are brawling as German nationalists and their brothers Glančnik and Vošnjak as Slovenian nationalists [same surnames in German resp. Slovenian spelling]; one may recall the ruminative remark of the Czech Rieger [Frantisek Ladislav Rieger, leading 19th-century Czech nationalist politician]: "It appears to me, it appears to me, that my own ancestors were closer to the Cherusci chieftain Arminius [leader of the German tribal association that annihilated the Roman legions of Varus in the AD 9 Battle of the Teutoburg Forest; a figure greatly mythologised by German nationalism] than that of baron von Chlumecky!" [Probably Johann von Chlumecky, Austrian minister, eventually a main negotiator of the 1905 Moravian Compromise concerning Czech vs. ethnic-German local interests; or an older relative]


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 06:04:35 AM EST
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The danger is not simply the far-right representatives themselves. Don't forget about the Overton Window. If 'centrist' politicians try to go fishing for far-right votes with some far-right rhetoric... they will have success even if the current party disintegrates due to running incompetents. And they may re-group under different leaders; and they will try to move the Overton Window further whatever happens.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 03:56:20 AM EST
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That is because their position is not nuanced so it is an easier sell.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 6th, 2009 at 05:40:25 AM EST
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