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for me, patriotism is a loyalty to ideals that unites a country, regardless of individual differences.

Those ideals, for Americans at least, are enshrined and reified in a social contract that we call the Constitution, and which is based off of the Rights of Man.

Nationalism is based off a loyalty to ethnicity, territory, and language in common to a group (the Latin "natio" or Volk) rather than abstract ideals for human beings in general.  Nationalism by contrast is exclusive to Patriotism as inclusive.  At least in Enlightenment thought.

So I disagree that it is simply loyalty to the fatherland.  I was searching for the reference and could not find it, but Benjamin Franklin even said he wasn't loyal to any country, not even America, but rather the ideals it represented.

The mid 19th century was enough time to corrupt the thought of the 18th century Enlightenment thought, which has certainly happened and sadly the most in the US - the great experiment.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Wed May 6th, 2009 at 05:23:14 PM EST
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