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Could you not have phrased this more constructively?

The header stands out much better on the front page, meaning that new people to the site can easily go to that key place and know what it is about.  

As Fran said elsewhere, different monitors and browsers do weird things with the colours and we tried a bunch of combinations.  We can't do wonderful pretty things with scoop.

A lot of time and effort (not on my part) went into trying various versions and discussing what worked best.  The end result may not be appealing to everyone but a little more support wouldn't go amiss in providing suggestions for improvement, as poemless has done.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 06:32:56 AM EST
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In Wales:
The header stands out much better on the front page, meaning that new people to the site can easily go to that key place and know what it is about.  

finding the headers wasn't a problem before, now they scream.

we discussed revamping the salon a year or so ago iirc, cuz i remember asking if the headers could become links, taking you to that spot on the page directly, which would be dead handy when looking for the place to insert a blockquote. as more material is added and the salon becomes bigger and more commented, this would move from being a minor improvement to a real boon.

good idea tbg, about setting up different models and everyone pitching in on the aesthetics, (cosy consensus might be called for here!)
:)

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 09:28:06 AM EST
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Regarding the links to the sections, the problem is that they would have to be redone every day, since each Salon is a new story. It's possible, but it's five or more minutes of finickity copy-pasting to do once the Salon is posted, just when the Salon poster is in a hurry to put up items.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 10:09:35 AM EST
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Relative links would be okay for this. I.e. <a href="#1">Europe</a> will link to the first comment in the story, like this: Europe
As long as the sections are always posted in the same order this would work.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 11:30:30 AM EST
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Oh, and I think what In Wales means by the header standing out on the front page is the top part above the fold. It has been pointed out in discussions that the previous above-the-fold bit didn't explain to the uninitiated what the Salon was about. Site regulars knew, but there was little incentive for a lurker or newcomer looking at the front page to click on Read more. This may explain why some critics at least felt that the Salon (an excellent feature) was for the ET initiated only.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 10:15:35 AM EST
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Yes that is what I mean - thanks.  The bit that shows up on the FP.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 10:25:20 AM EST
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oh i thought you meant the banner at the beginning of each new section.

as for the c & p part, couldn't a template take care of that?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 10:41:31 AM EST
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I don't think there's a way of automating the copy-paste. The section headers are top-level comments in the thread. The People and Klatsch section we're in now, for example, is headed by comment

http://www.eurotrib.com/comments/2009/5/9/12218/40958/7

If you wrote a macro introducing the http://www.eurotrib.com/comments/ bit which is invariable, you would still have to copy-paste the variable part 2009/5/9/12218/40958/7. It's attributed by Scoop when the comment is posted and can't be known in advance.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 11:05:29 AM EST
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someone has a bright idea above that cancels what I said. It's good having real techies around.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 15th, 2009 at 11:59:55 AM EST
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