Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
OK guys, allow me a break for two days... I knew I shouldn't start something I didn't have the mean to finish in time :-)

Some quick answers...  I wouldn't rally to Plato just like that but you are right that there isn't much irony (apart maybe the dust of time :-) ). I'm much more radical then one could think ! (w e did have some debates on community and collectivity :-) )

 Between verb and noun... Sure! But many debates today are held by people who's english is just like mine, learned through experience rather then at school... It has limits... Just as my english is limited on such subjects, whereas in french I would choose the proper word for the proper sense... (Sigh)

I agree with the notion of the "untrained gaze" and the cerebral part of art, as in fact, contemporary art feeds on the message, not the media.

I'll take a snip at Melo's musical experience... As a  listener, he came back touched and transformed to the point he wanted to give back to others what he then felt.
Yet to be a musician capable of transmitting such a level of emotion, you need to train in a technical way, to optimize your instrument, maybe even to pay for it... And even then, when you play, you aren't sure that it works each time (reproducibility as remarked Sven).
So there is art along that line of events (spiritual emotion, rapture, transportation (?)), but only at some key instants, while most of the time it's more about acquiring a craft, a knowledge... (Phew)

I must now leave for something that looks like an intimate spiritual journey, whether I believe in an afterlife or not, it's more, for me, a peculiar alchemy about memory through rituals... :-)

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman

by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 09:26:50 AM EST
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