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Scattered reports are starting to come in saying the Greens have begun beating back the Basij at the University of Tehran and in other areas. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
And I guess we get our answer on that now, in a speech he is giving as I type this (via Sully):
11.40 am. Mousavi: I Am Ready For Death.
CNN is absolutely disgusting, by the way. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Filtering truth out of Tehran these days is as frustrating as it is dangerous. (...) Earnest reporters check this out - in fact, I have been spending at least a third of my working days in Tehran this past week not reporting what might prove to be true but disproving what is clearly untrue. (...) Fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows, but once they are combined and spread with high-speed inaccuracy around the world, they are also lethal. Sham elections, the takeover of party offices, a massacre on a university campus, an imminent coup d'état, the possible overthrow of the whole 30-year old Islamic Republic, the isolation of an entire country as its communications are systematically shut down. (...) But then we had the famous instruction to journalists in Tehran from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance that they could no longer report opposition street demonstrations. I heard nothing of this. Indeed, the first clue came when I refused to be interviewed by CNN (because their coverage of the Middle East is so biased) and the woman calling me asked: "Why? Are you worried about your safety?" Fisk continued to spend 12 hours a day on the streets. I discovered there was a ban only when I read about it in The Independent. Maybe the Guidance lads and lassies couldn't get through on my mobile. But then, who had cut the phone lines? (...) But our coverage of this poll has been deeply flawed. Most visiting Western journalists stay in hotels in the wealthy, north Tehran suburbs, where tens of thousands of Mousavi supporters live, where it's easy to find educated translators who love Mousavi, where interviewees speak fluent English and readily denounce the spiritual and cultural and social stagnation of Iran's - let us speak frankly - semi-dictatorship.
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Earnest reporters check this out - in fact, I have been spending at least a third of my working days in Tehran this past week not reporting what might prove to be true but disproving what is clearly untrue.
Fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows, but once they are combined and spread with high-speed inaccuracy around the world, they are also lethal. Sham elections, the takeover of party offices, a massacre on a university campus, an imminent coup d'état, the possible overthrow of the whole 30-year old Islamic Republic, the isolation of an entire country as its communications are systematically shut down.
But then we had the famous instruction to journalists in Tehran from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance that they could no longer report opposition street demonstrations. I heard nothing of this. Indeed, the first clue came when I refused to be interviewed by CNN (because their coverage of the Middle East is so biased) and the woman calling me asked: "Why? Are you worried about your safety?" Fisk continued to spend 12 hours a day on the streets. I discovered there was a ban only when I read about it in The Independent. Maybe the Guidance lads and lassies couldn't get through on my mobile. But then, who had cut the phone lines?
But our coverage of this poll has been deeply flawed. Most visiting Western journalists stay in hotels in the wealthy, north Tehran suburbs, where tens of thousands of Mousavi supporters live, where it's easy to find educated translators who love Mousavi, where interviewees speak fluent English and readily denounce the spiritual and cultural and social stagnation of Iran's - let us speak frankly - semi-dictatorship.
Foreign Correspondent Disease... A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
Now the question becomes: Will the cops and soldiers turn on Khamenei, even if not explicitly? Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
So Mousavi knew he had a choice. Saying he was ready for death was him saying to Khameni "Full acknowledgement of Broadcast" keep to the Fen Causeway
The main goal of Khamenei's speech this morning was consolidation. The recent demonstrations have been unprecedented. The Supreme Leader is aware of their impact, and the main goal of today's speech was first and foremost to create some kind of cohesion in the system. This was done by emphasizing the large number of people who took part in the elections. He also tried to reiterate that despite their differences, his relations with Rafsanjani are important, and that any accusation against his children should be settled in court, rather than on the street or television screens. He also said he is close to Ahmadinejad and that his point of view regarding domestic and foreign policy is closer.
11.24 am. Chemical warfare? It is not boiling water but something else: Helicopters spraying water with agent in it onto crowds. Skin irritant, will make it feel as though water is scalding.
Helicopters spraying water with agent in it onto crowds. Skin irritant, will make it feel as though water is scalding.
That's the problem with theocracy. the people in charge have got so used to justifying their every whim by saying "it is god's will" that they forget that political power in a supposed democracy has to at least pretend that it reflects the people's will. keep to the Fen Causeway
Metro system being shut down to prevent more people from entering central Tehran. Reports of Iranians leaving work and home en mass to join the protests. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
reading of clashes in other cities (Ahvaz and Shiraz most regularly) Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
There are also reports some of the Greens are out "basij hunting" at night.
This could get really ugly, very quickly. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
"Getting ugly" = "machine gunning into the protesters" She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
tareshen: RTIran: This is not a 'small protest' considering the expected to die today this is a huge protest.
Interesting. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Interesting that the most intense confrontations seem to be happening in SW Tehran today. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
What little I can cobble together: Sounds like the protesters may be steadily taking West Tehran, to the S, SW and W of the airport (looking at Google Maps), and pushing towards Central. The government's going to have a real problem if they're pushed back from the North, too. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Just now from Tehran: Assembly of Experts calls on Rafsanjani for meeting!!!
Wow. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
studiosus_25: RT more and more army's generals refused shooting to people. They are with Rafsanjani
Just me, or does it seem like the tide has slowly turned over the last five hours? Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Have you anything to add based on your experiences ? keep to the Fen Causeway
These are middle class people who have been badly hit by the 75% or so inflation rate (as opposed to the official rate). They are the people in the marzipan layer who actually run Iran.
The participation of women is widespread, and could well be crucial to the outcome, as it was in Iceland.
My friend says that there will be no going back to the staus quo ante, and that the next few days will be crucial.
This quote two days ago from a very well placed (and genuinely religious, although he makes nothing of it) contact of mine in Iran summed it up.
Yes, the situation is very unpleasant and unexpected. We have no doubt that we are now facing a situation that a group with some sort of ideology that in our opinion is very different with what late Emam Khomeini presented to us are consolidating their administrative power. What worries me is the fact that they have not yet clearly indicated what sort of political view as well as religious sect they would like whole country to follow.
[Meta: Should we take this off the Open Thread to a diary?] She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
See everybody there. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
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