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Just read somewhere -- can't remember which site, but probably Sully or Nico or Tehran Bureau -- that Shiraz is exploding.

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:39:36 AM EST
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One of the big questions was where Moussavi would come down, seemingly having a great deal of weight on his shoulders.  State TV there has already reported that he will be held accountable for violence.  Moussavi was left to decide whether he wanted to keep going or back down in order to save lives.

And I guess we get our answer on that now, in a speech he is giving as I type this (via Sully):

11.40 am. Mousavi: I Am Ready For Death.


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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:48:39 AM EST
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well there was meant to be a meeting of the candidates with the ruling council today, twitter rumour says that Mousavi didn't turn up.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:52:54 AM EST
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Hadn't heard about that.  Sure it was a good source?  Did Kharoubi show?

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:54:26 AM EST
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As I said, Twitter rumour, so could be no more than smoke from either side.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:59:07 AM EST
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Bit tough now to deal with Twitter outside of a web connected to a few sources.

CNN is absolutely disgusting, by the way.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:02:05 PM EST
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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fiskrsquos-world-in-tehran-fantasy-and -reality-make-uneasy-bedfellows-1710762.html


Filtering truth out of Tehran these days is as frustrating as it is dangerous.

(...)

Earnest reporters check this out - in fact, I have been spending at least a third of my working days in Tehran this past week not reporting what might prove to be true but disproving what is clearly untrue.

(...)

Fantasy and reality make uneasy bedfellows, but once they are combined and spread with high-speed inaccuracy around the world, they are also lethal. Sham elections, the takeover of party offices, a massacre on a university campus, an imminent coup d'état, the possible overthrow of the whole 30-year old Islamic Republic, the isolation of an entire country as its communications are systematically shut down.

(...)

But then we had the famous instruction to journalists in Tehran from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance that they could no longer report opposition street demonstrations. I heard nothing of this. Indeed, the first clue came when I refused to be interviewed by CNN (because their coverage of the Middle East is so biased) and the woman calling me asked: "Why? Are you worried about your safety?" Fisk continued to spend 12 hours a day on the streets. I discovered there was a ban only when I read about it in The Independent. Maybe the Guidance lads and lassies couldn't get through on my mobile. But then, who had cut the phone lines?

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But our coverage of this poll has been deeply flawed. Most visiting Western journalists stay in hotels in the wealthy, north Tehran suburbs, where tens of thousands of Mousavi supporters live, where it's easy to find educated translators who love Mousavi, where interviewees speak fluent English and readily denounce the spiritual and cultural and social stagnation of Iran's - let us speak frankly - semi-dictatorship.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:56:49 PM EST
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Yes, but these reports are largely coming from Twitter sources in West Tehran, not the North Tehran suburbs.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:59:19 PM EST
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Big problem is total lack of confirmation of any of the reports from Iran.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 01:09:29 PM EST
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But our coverage of this poll has been deeply flawed. Most visiting Western journalists stay in hotels in the wealthy, north Tehran suburbs, where tens of thousands of Mousavi supporters live, where it's easy to find educated translators who love Mousavi, where interviewees speak fluent English and readily denounce the spiritual and cultural and social stagnation of Iran's - let us speak frankly - semi-dictatorship.

Foreign Correspondent Disease...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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Lots of rumours that the Army is not getting involved, rumours that they have pledged Loyalty to Rafsanjani and will not open fire on the people, also messages to avoid hospitals, and instead go to embasys that are offering medical care.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:03:43 PM EST
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Word is a lot of the cops are standing down, too.

Now the question becomes: Will the cops and soldiers turn on Khamenei, even if not explicitly?

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:11:25 PM EST
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well this is reported to be todays protest.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:18:18 PM EST
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At 12.26 from Nico: Moussavi's Facebook page apparently confirms he is on the street and has "washed in readiness to be martyred."

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:37:55 PM EST
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I think that Khameni's speech yesterday was a message saying "back down, go to your villa, take a bath and cut your wrists and save my face theocracy. It is allah's will."

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:17:01 PM EST
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Doh, hit post instead of preview.

So Mousavi knew he had a choice. Saying he was ready for death was him saying to Khameni "Full acknowledgement of Broadcast"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:18:29 PM EST
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Yes, and if the government kills him, they're going to wish they hadn't, I suspect.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:47:19 PM EST
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Meir Javedanfar: Khamenei's Speech: Learning From the Shah?
The main goal of Khamenei's speech this morning was consolidation. The recent demonstrations have been unprecedented. The Supreme Leader is aware of their impact, and the main goal of today's speech was first and foremost to create some kind of cohesion in the system. This was done by emphasizing the large number of people who took part in the elections. He also tried to reiterate that despite their differences, his relations with Rafsanjani are important, and that any accusation against his children should be settled in court, rather than on the street or television screens. He also said he is close to Ahmadinejad and that his point of view regarding domestic and foreign policy is closer.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:19:35 PM EST
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