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I think there's little dispute that
in general, an ideology is a coherent collection of beliefs, a view of the world
while in every day life, what we mean by ideology is a set of political principles defining a way to organize the society.

As to Wikipedia, I for one rather liked this excerpt here:

The philosopher Michel Foucault wrote about the concept of apparent ideological neutrality. Ideology is not the same thing as philosophy. Philosophy is a way of living life, while ideology is an almost ideal way of life for society. Some attribute to ideology positive characteristics like vigor and fervor, or negative features like excessive certitude and fundamentalist rigor.



Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Thu Jun 4th, 2009 at 02:48:34 PM EST
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ValentinD:
an ideology is a coherent collection of beliefs, a view of the world

Um, no. This would make ideologies no different to mythologies.

It's probably not possible to agree about this, but I'd suggest an ideology is a moral system of political philosophy which is justified in ways which make it appear politically plausible, or even inevitable.

Ideologies include explicit and implicit elements. The implicit elements are the true moral aims of the ideology. These may not be stated explicitly, and may not even be conscious. (E.g. authoritarian conservatives rarely understand what their own motivations actually are.)

The explicit formulation is the cluster of narratives which promotes and evangelises the true aim.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 4th, 2009 at 05:57:24 PM EST
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What interests me is the word "political". Are ideologies by definition political?
Art world is filled with aesthetical ideologies (like Beyus'), cultural or subcultural ones (like the alternative culture ideology), ethnic ones (like Hitler's race ideology, or the Hindu one in India), scientifism, and in general any set of ideas identified as consistent and coherent.
Could one argue that they all are political ideologies in the end ? I confess I don't know enough about art ideologies to argue here.


Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 06:32:24 AM EST
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Two words are missing from the phrase above, sorry. It should be:

Art world is filled with aesthetical ideologies (like Beyus'), cultural or subcultural ones (like the alternative culture ideology), then there are ethnic ones (like Hitler's race ideology, or the Hindu one in India), scientifism, and in general any set of ideas identified as consistent and coherent.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 03:23:37 PM EST
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Um, no. This would make ideologies no different to mythologies.
Who's to say they aren't? ;)

   "All right," said Susan, "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."

No. Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape.

"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers?"

Yes. As practice. You have to start out learning to believe the little lies.

"So we can believe the big ones?"

Yes. Justice. Mercy. Duty. That sort of thing.

"They're not the same at all!"

Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through with the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet you act as if there were some sort of rightness in the universe by which it may be judged.

"Yes. But people have got to believe that or what's the point -- "
    My point exactly.



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by Starvid on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:16:13 PM EST
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How does your description of what an ideology is support "ideologies are not mythologies"?

I'm beginning to suspect frames, mythologies, narratives and ideologies are different terms for the same elephant, described by differently blind academic disciplines.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:28:30 PM EST
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