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Not so non standard, when you took a closer look. Karl Marx himself had already postulated that economic relationships must be identified with reality to discredit ideology, which is supposed to be a false and distorted view of reality
(see for instance this book, p.41).

Daniel Bell later added the idea of "action-oriented", which can also be found in dictionaries:


Ideology
a form of social or political philosophy in which practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones. It is a system of ideas that aspires both to explain the world and to change it.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/281943/ideology

Suffice it to put 2 and 2 together, and there it is :)


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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 08:39:57 AM EST
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Except that there is no requirement that it is a distortion of reality.

It is a description of reality that is used to justify certain policy goals (it's more than that, but that's a minimalist definition).

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 07:57:38 AM EST
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Well you are right, of course. But after Marx, and then others
(of which I quoted Mannheim, Habermas -- Zizek! and his "for discourse analysis, the very notion of an access to reality unbiased by any discursive devices or conjunctions with power is ideological" )

described ideology as a distorted view, I have to say I could not find any serious argument of the contraire.

I particularly agree with Zizek: Marx was fighting ideology and predicting (and acting for!) its death, even as he was building one of the most important, sweeping, terrifying ideologies of all times!
The trick, is that he pretended to be an non-ideologue, a man of applied science.
A bit like myself before, which you very accurately noticed at that time, and remarked that "rational pragmatism" looks a lot like Marx's scientifical methods. So I added humanism, but then the doctrine of humanism is largely atheist, even a-spiritual, well, materialistic, really.

But I do think ideology in general (not just in politics) is a distortion of reality - ie, a mirror image distorted to say something.
Suffice it to look at ideologies in Arts. What any true artist actually does, is to propose his Universe to the public: that is, his own, personal, subjective view of reality, and we enter it and appreciate his work mostly in that respect.


Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:30:10 PM EST
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Did you know Zizek keeps a poster of Stalin in his entryway?  There's practically no other decor in his apartment.  Just Stalin.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:34:35 PM EST
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Well Céline too wrote Bagatelles pour un massacre or L'École des cadavres right before WW2 begins, and is considered by some an antisemite author, which doesn't stop him from being one of the biggest modern French writers. Or Sartre, a fan of Mao, which doesn't make him less famous a philosopher. I could go oooon and oooooon...

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:41:09 PM EST
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Oh I am not questioning his fame.  I just find your agreement with him interesting.  Encouraging, but unexpected.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:45:49 PM EST
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I like Céline's style too, which doesn't mean I agree with his radical antisemitism.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:47:38 PM EST
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You didn't say you liked Zezek's style, you said you particularly agreed with something he wrote.

Anyway...  Just sharing...  Go back to whatever you were doing.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:49:19 PM EST
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lol no problem, 'zjust that -- if you look carefully, I also agreed with JakeS about pragmatists' "scientific methods". Does that make me a closet revolutionary? :P

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot franša) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:53:36 PM EST
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Hey! I resent the implication that I'm a "closet" revolutionary - I like to think that I'm quite open and above-board about the kind of revolution I'd like to see ;-)

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 06:49:46 PM EST
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