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Projected general election vote share: Tories: 38%, Libs: 28%, Lab 23%


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 02:42:15 PM EST
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I fail to see reason to be happy about this, Drew.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 03:12:28 PM EST
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Well, okay, "happy" is not the word I'd use to describe my feelings on it, because I've made clear that I think Cameron is going to be a disaster -- but a disaster in a way that winds up somehow being popular in the Thatcher/Reagan tradition.

Nevertheless, the Labour Party has done this to itself.  There's no one else to blame, and its defeat will be richly deserved.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 03:32:25 PM EST
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the Labor party deserves to be bashed, for being too rightwing. Unfortunately, it is replace by an even mor erightwing party, so the result i not quite right, and the lesson that will be propagated by pundits is, of course, that Brown was not centrist enough, like Balir was.

Blergh.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 04:55:52 PM EST
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That lesson has already been propagated in the debate over Brown's tax increase.  As TBG noted below, Brown has shown signs of almost figuring out how shit this whole New Labour thing has been.  And immediately following his tax announcement, a big chunk of the Labour Party came out on television to kneecap him and push the kind of supply-side dogma that doesn't even pass for serious discussion among the Tories (or at least didn't when David Davis pushed it).

The sad thing is that, had he realized it earlier (say, when he took over as PM), he'd probably be stomping Cameron by now.  Security is what people want in times of economic crisis like this, yet Britain is going to be taken over by...the Tories.

I agree with everybody else that it's disgraceful that Brown is going to be the one to pay for it all.  I've always had a soft spot for Brown, and I'm certainly less enthusiastic about the idea of him going than I am about the general idea of Labour being punished.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:34:04 PM EST
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a big chunk of the Labour Party came out on television

What, I missed a protest by 100,000 Labour members?...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:37:38 PM EST
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100k? In our dreams.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:40:48 PM EST
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Does Labour not have somethinglike 160,000 members?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:47:35 PM EST
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If we are lucky...
Labour membership falls to historic low - Telegraph

The collapse in Labour's grassroots membership numbers has contributed to its precarious financial position, with the party still £18 million in debt despite slashing its staff and spending.

In an official submission to the Electoral Commission, Labour admitted that its membership at the end of 2007 was 176,891.

I expect we've lost a lot more in the last year.

I was probably thinking of Wales figures for membership which is in the tens of thousands range.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:52:45 PM EST
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The Lib Dems have about 60k members.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 07:32:33 PM EST
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I thought it meant that the party had not more members then to fill a large television-studio.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:41:24 PM EST
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Oh, bite me, DoDo. ;)  I meant among the Very Serious People who go on the teevee as speakers for the party.

If it were actual party members, they would've had to take chairs away....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 at 05:44:26 PM EST
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Does this mean we'll go back to the olden days of Gladstone vs. Disraeli, given that Britain doesn't use proportional representation?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 11:16:11 AM EST
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No because while the tories are concentrated in the south, and Labour in the North (Plus Scotland and Wales) the Liberals are spread pretty evenly throughout the country. So Labour will still get far more seats than the liberals due to the first past the post system.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:20:11 PM EST
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due to the first past the post system.

In fact, in any system of proportional representation where constituencies elect fewer than maybe 12 seats each.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:30:52 PM EST
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And which does not use adjustment seats to even out the total representation.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:39:43 PM EST
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That or any of a number of Additional Member Systems.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 at 02:41:15 PM EST
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