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Courts of law will most assuredly not introduce evidence from the medieval era should redress of detainee claims be considered in that venue.

If they do their jobs, they will quote precedents from Nürnberg.

But that's not a whole lot better.

I think this line of discussion can perhaps be summarised as danps saying "we're allowing people to beat their kids. That's a medieval practise and should stop," while you're saying "yes, but look at the bright side: People aren't allowed to beat their servants or spouses anymore. Clearly, that is progress." Which it is. Only, one should think that we could do a little bit better than that.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 12:39:45 PM EST
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I agree in essence with your analysis of the discussion and your remark about Nurnburg (especially as introspection).  I would add that the US behavior/torture is a source of considerable personal embarrassment to me having spent much of my career in the US Government engaged in activities designed to prevent or redress this very kind of behavior (war and other crimes against humanity). So, I don't find the US's resort to torture particularly comforting. The institutions, laws and precedents carefully crafted over the centuries in the US and other countries to prevent torture and abuse are a source of pride and comfort. The fact that so many countries and militant groups are still willing to embrace torture and other barbarous acts for any reason is extremely disappointing.  

While I understand and support the need to continually remind Americans of their responsibility to ensure their government operates in a manner consistent with international law and treaty,and ensure the prosecution of those responsible for deviations, I believe the best way to do this is to focus on the matters/crimes at hand and resist the temptation to diverge from the facts and circumstances, for whatever purpose.  Some may find it appealing to compare the current state of American law and justice with that of previous eras, but I am certain many Americans, including myself, will fail to see the reasoning or the necessity.  

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 08:55:29 PM EST
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