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the center-left already discredited themselves and couldn't give a coherent criticism,, while the hard left couldn't step up to take its place.

So what goes on?  Liberalism a la FDP isn't sustainable.  While it's true that Germans have a whole hell of a lot of social safety net to burn before they get themselves into the position that Americans find themselves, it's a possibility.

And this is true basically everywhere.  Certainly in the USA.  When you have no coherent Left alternative, what happens?  

Part of the answer seems to be that initially be that people withdraw from politics.  Europe seems to be at where the US was twenty years ago in that sense.

But now in the US, people are reengaged, and still things stall along.

What happens when their is no possibility for change within the given system of politics, and pressures are building up for change within it?  Rupture and reformation of a new democratic regime?  Authoritarianism?  Something else?

I need to get to Hannah Arendt, but I believe that some of Harvey's (the guy behind a  brief history of neo-liberalism) more academic stuff gets into how liberalism turns authoritarian when it starts hitting these walls it can't deal with.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 04:06:54 PM EST
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I'm about ready to give up on the Party of European Socialists for a "coherent Left alternative", but where does that leave us? With a European People's Party permanent majority.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 04:13:27 PM EST
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Ever heard of sewer socialism?

With the creation of the Socialist Party of America, this group formed the core of an element which favored Democratic socialism over Orthodox Marxism, deemphasizing social theory and revolutionary rhetoric and in favor of honest government and efforts to improve public health. The Sewer Socialists fought to clean up what they saw as "the dirty and polluted legacy of the Industrial Revolution,"[3] cleaning up neighborhoods and factories with new sanitation systems, city-owned water and power systems, and improved education. The movement has its origins in the organization of the Social Democratic Party, a precursor to the Socialist Party of America.

In this US, the profusion of levels of government means that if you don't win on national level you can fight locally.

I have to wonder whether the Left has to be redeemed at the local level before there can be national Left alone an international Left.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 04:21:10 PM EST
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should have been a national left let alone and international left.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 04:58:34 PM EST
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ManfromMiddletown:
Part of the answer seems to be that initially be that people withdraw from politics.

This was the lowest participation in a German federal election, right?

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 28th, 2009 at 06:25:22 AM EST
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Yes. The 77% four years ago was already a record low. Now it's down to 71%.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 28th, 2009 at 07:43:17 AM EST
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WHat is most remarkable is that the social safety nets are in large part the result of the response to the Great Depression. And 80 years later here we are staring at the possibility of a repeat and what do we do? Vote into government people who would gladly dismantle the social safety net.

Not that the Social Democrats haven't been busy doing it for the better part of this decade.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 28th, 2009 at 06:35:13 AM EST
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