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Or to put that another way: a whole human is not defined by the socially conditioned gender roles.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 28th, 2010 at 03:57:37 PM EST
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Or has successfully striven to transcend their physical and socially defined gender.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:33:17 PM EST
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i think both these replies are correct. as we see beyond the boundaries of our own cultural determination, whether gender, food, dance be the aspects in question, and as we age accumulating more events to integrate and synthesize, more points of view to consider and possibly emulate, then we expand to our potential, dipping and pollinating from the one planet's human cultural diversity.

so yes in terms of transcending limitations, no as regards transcending as abandoning in any way. it's inclusive...

by abandoning i means smoothing over the differences, i think transcendence is the celebration of the combination of the polarities, it is its child, its celebration.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 29th, 2010 at 07:48:23 PM EST
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well, bearing in mind that 'whole' is relative, a goal, possibly unattainable in any absolute sense... that's the beauty of jung's thesis, that we learn quintessentially important stuff equally from both sexes.

it's getting more ok to have friends of either sex, as excessive formality slowly gives way to more tolerant and relaxed attitudes to life, and a more balanced personality, playful with the differences, and comfortable both sides of the fence.

one is a lot less circumscribed than before, we are learning to trust that it's ok to be different, there's a place for that in the scene of things, in fact that's what gives life its mystery.

in some ways, the more obvious one's cultural roots are, the more likely one is to be somewhat narrow in perspective, even if one can be deeply grounded and strengthened by the healthy roots that implies.

of course some traditions give false strength, such as the myth that our tribe is of necessity superior to another.

reality gets its way and dismembers illusions eventually, though the road there can be long and arduous. likewise with our losing our apprehensions about communication across the Great Divide of gender, we all had a parent or sibling of the other persuasion, so it shouldn't be so strange, after all...

except it is!

it really helps to get that we can't be complete until we suss our complementary opposite, and meet in the middle. that's the alchemy, where the dross, the pettiness burns off and the gold of who we really are can shine.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 29th, 2010 at 08:06:33 PM EST
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