Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
"What the system says about itself is internal to the system"

When the system does not say a thing as to where its Maker comes from, it is obvious the said Maker is fundamentally exterior to the system.

"I am talking about reconciling inconsistencies between your own values"

When was that the topic under discussion again.
Let me remind you my point: I am arguing that religions and ideologies belong to the same category, in spite of some striking differences such as those concerning supranatural beings.
Forging yourself a way out in your usual sophistically sophisticated manner again ? :)

"So if I can offer a contradiction between what you claim are your values"

have not discussed my values here, sorry; this is getting boring.

"You have claimed that you do not have an ideology. Which, as far as I can tell is perfectly true.
This is not, however, praiseworthy. It means that your values, as far as they have been presented here, appear to be a jumbled mess

Have you made a fixation on my humble person? Get a hold of yourself, man.
Back to the topic pls: ideologies = religions.

"absent any plausible mechanism for how the spirit realm works, it is not reasonable to suppose that it is a plausible explanation for any unexplained phenomena"

I tried to reduce the problem of distinguishing ideologies and religions to the existence of a spiritual world. But pay attention here, I did not actually claim it exists.
My point was: IF it exists (for instance, in a way similar to that described by the string theory), then it takes all that awful magic out.
If it doesn't, and Colman is correct in calling them delusions (not impossible; humans do have a propensity to idealistic stories and personification of things), then, since all the contesting parts are only existing in human imagination, we can safely disregard them and focus on the fundamentals, ie, religions and ideologies are basically the same thing.

Now if you can produce some relevant thoughts on this (preferably without recurring to jabs about my values etc), please do so; otherwise, forever remain silent! :)

"Come back when you've solved a tensor equation or two"

Now you've actually hit the nail on its head. I used to be an expert in all that differential geometry stuff, way way back in my uni years. Okay, maybe not an Expert, but I did have a way around manifolds. Yet tensors, I never really liked, dunno why.

Oh well.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu Oct 28th, 2010 at 09:37:05 AM EST
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