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The latest figure is 17500.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 03:23:31 PM EST
I realise I forgot to ask: what exactly did Päivi Räsänen say to excite this reaction?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 03:37:49 PM EST
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Basically that marriage can only be between a man and a women - everything else she said stemmed from this view. Her views were expressed calmly in the program. And while she regards the resignations following the program with horror, does not accept any responsibility for them.

Official statements from church officials are at pains to point out that the Christian Democrat view is different from the church view.

The Lutheran church  was not well represented on the program and its arguments were put across poorly. Indeed, at the most recent Bishops' conference it was made quite clear that the agreed policy of the church toward homosexual relationships and church recognition of them was compassionate, did not regard them as a sin, and in fact it will be possible to have private 'prayer moments' in church to 'bless' the 'civil' relationship. However there was muddy wording about possible church weddings (probably to appease the one third of pastors who oppose such ceremonies).

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 04:16:56 PM EST
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Same as Sweden then, but a few years after on the curve.

To the relief of most of the church, the state made it mandatory to perform all marriages if you want to keep your marriage license, at the same time as the gay civil union was merged with the straight marriage. This made it an easy decision, the church could not let go of marriages.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 04:57:42 PM EST
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Scuzi - I misread the Finnish. The private prayer moments do NOT offer any 'blessing'.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Oct 18th, 2010 at 04:31:43 AM EST
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With some Google translate help: it seems the wave is still rising, with another daily record of 4,545 yesterday, and 5,428 today when I looked at it.

 But this year's running total passed last year's total (39,200) only today.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 03:48:23 PM EST
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It's interesting that every year, church resignations picked up towards the end of the year -- is church tax annual, or is this some Christmas effect? Also, what happened at the end of February 2008, and in early May 2010?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 03:53:45 PM EST
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Answering my own questions: the regular year-end bump is explained with taxes by the website owners, the bump earlier this year is explained by new tax plans and the election of the new archbishop; while that February 2008 peak had a funny reason: media publicity for the website when the number of church resignations it fostered hit 100,000.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 04:28:03 PM EST
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Swedens Lutheran Church lost many members when they made a successful campaign to inform members that they could vote in the church elections. Apparently reminding the members that they are members is a bad thing.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 05:02:40 PM EST
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Or it is that one cannot be responsible for what the majority decide if one is not a member. Being reminded that they could vote might have spooked them.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Oct 17th, 2010 at 11:20:33 PM EST
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The way the graph looks now, today will be another record, and this year's cumulative number will exceed the full-year all-time record from 2008.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Oct 18th, 2010 at 11:43:16 AM EST
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Today the graph indicates that the wave peaked yesterday (when the 2008 full-year record was surpassed as expected).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:21:16 PM EST
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