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Re: Tolerance is dead (4.00 / 6)

The Süddeutsche provides some facts, including the facts that Germany is facing net emmigration, that the country that provides the most immigrants is Poland, and that last year there were less than 20.000 immigrants from outside the EU.

Wie viele Menschen wandern noch nach Deutschland ein?
Unter dem Strich niemand mehr: Vergangenes Jahr kamen zwar etwa 721.000 Menschen nach Deutschland, gleichzeitig verließen aber 734.000 Leute das Land. Wegen der Bereinigung von Melderegistern halten Statistiker die Auswanderungszahlen jedoch für etwas zu hoch angesetzt. Man kann also davon sprechen, dass sich Zu- und Abwanderung seit drei Jahren etwa die Waage halten. Die meisten Zuwanderer kamen vergangenes Jahr aus Polen (123.000).
Wie viele Fachkräfte kommen derzeit ins Land?
Aus Staaten von außerhalb der EU sind es weniger als 20.000, davon waren im vergangenen Jahr gerade einmal 311 Hochqualifizierte, also beispielsweise Spitzenmanager mit einem Jahresgehalt von mehr als 66.000 Euro oder Professoren.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 19th, 2010 at 06:37:26 AM EST

Re: Tolerance is dead (4.00 / 3)

Thumbs up for the Süddeutsche for still doing what all papers left of the FAZ and Bild did in the past: subjecting xenophobic claims about immigration to a reality check. For those not speaking German:

The first point is about actual migration stats. While Sarrazin and Seehofer were scaremongering, Germany already has net emigration, and the largest group of immigrants last year was not Turks nor Arabs nor any other "other cutlure" but Poles.
The second point is about the immigration of qualified employees. While Seehofer pretends that there are too many, those from outside the EU numbered just 20,000, and (in the not quoted part) those from the EU just 9,500, there are jobs for a lot more.
The article also points out that the claim of the CSU's general secretary about one million immigrants unwilling to integrate is without any basis in researched facts, the government is just assembling such stats. They give one example: the number of girls refusing to take part in school trips, which is 10% for Muslims, and 5% for others.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:00:08 PM EST
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Re: Tolerance is dead (4.00 / 3)

Here are some more details of immigrants to Germany based on country of origin

Hauptherkunftsländer der Zuwanderer waren im Jahr 2009 Polen (123.000), Rumänien (56.000), die USA (30.000), die Türkei (30.000) und Bulgarien (29.000).

The same number of immigrants from the US as from Turkey! I hope they make some effort to integrate, including eating at German restaurants rather than at McDonalds, or Wulff will have to make some comments on that when he visits the U.S.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 19th, 2010 at 05:08:28 PM EST
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Let me do the ET thing and do one better than the media, and bring some original
sources from the Federal Statistics Office:

Press release on immigration in 2009, with the above quoted numbers on the nationality of immigrants. Numbers of interest not quoted so far: out of the 734,000 immigrants and 721,000 emigrants, 606,000 resp. 579,000 were foreign citizens (a net immigration of 27,000); however, among Turkish citizens, the numbers were 30,000-40,000 = net emigration of 10,000.
Press release on naturalizations in 2009: of the 96,100 integrating this way, the by far largest group are the 24,647 Turks. That's 1.6% of the number of those eligible, slightly lower than the average, but much lower than the same ratio for citizens of Iraq (13.8%) or Afghanistan (10.3%) -- then again, the big wave of naturalizations was from 2000, when citizenship law was changed.
Press release on foreign residents in 2009: the number stands at 6.69 million, 32,800 less than a year earlier (a number including changes due to migration, naturalization, deaths and births). The drop is almost equalled by that in Turkish citizens: -30,300 to 1.66 million. There was a gain of the same size in citizens of the former Jugoslavia. Among EU citizens, there are major gains in citizens of Romania, Bulgaria and Poland (in that order) and major losses in citizens of Italy and Greece. As for the idiocy of jus sanguinis: 20% of foreign residents were born in Germany...
Press release on inhabitants with a migrant background in 2008: the total (which includes everyone who was born abroad or had parents immigrating after 1950) is 15.6 million out of 82.1 million residents. Of this, 7.3 had a foreign citizenship (including double citizens). 10.6 million are immigrants themselves, including 3.1 million so-called 'late re-settlers' who got citizenship based on jus sanguinis (or being a spouse of one with German ethnicity). Of the rest, 1.7 million were born in Germany but got no citizenship. Of the total, 2.9 million are of Turkish origin, followed by 1.4 million from Poland and 1.3 million from the former Jugoslavia. Only 1.3 million of the total has multiple roots. Much lower education ratios and twice as high unemployment resp. higher low-paid jobs ratio should not come as surprise -- here a differentiation according to first- and second-generation as well as naturalized and non-naturalized 'people with migrant background' would have been more interesting.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Wed Oct 20th, 2010 at 06:27:03 AM EST
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Regarding naturalizations, just to emphasize: a major stumbling block for many of those not naturalized yet is the right-wing blockade of the double citizenship law. That is, most people have to forego their other citizenship to gain the German one.

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by DoDo on Wed Oct 20th, 2010 at 07:23:57 AM EST
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Re: Tolerance is dead (4.00 / 2)

The Turkish law has been changed, but I think that Germany required that you not just renounce the foreign citizenship, but that the other country accept the renunciation. In some countries this is not automatic, and I think that Turkey would require that you did military service first.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Oct 20th, 2010 at 07:33:00 AM EST
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