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In particular, [the consultation] aims to address the following issues:

  • Ensuring adequate incomes in retirement and making sure pension systems are sustainable in the long term
A public pension system based on sovereign outlays is the easiest way to solve this problem.
  • Achieving the right balance between work and retirement and facilitating a longer active life
Neither here nor there, though there's the fact that under many European pension systems, receiving a pension is incompatible with doing any productive work. I think the social function of pensions should be given a good round of thinking. Maybe pensions should not be tied to age but basically for incapacity for work of greater or lesser degree? The current stigmatization of people on disability benefit needs to end, by the way. And it's not totally unrelated to this policy drive to "facilitate a longer active life".
  • Removing obstacles to people who work in different EU countries and to the internal market for retirement products
Please don't mix the issue of people working across borders having trouble collecting pensions (supranational fiscal unification, anyone?) with the "market for retirement products". A dignified income for everyone, retired or not, is not a (finalcial!?) product looking for a freer market.
  • Making pensions safer in the wake of the recent economic crisis, both now and in the longer term
Easy, don't make people's pension dependent on the vagaries of the market. Don't force people to take on a private pension because the public provision is deliberately inadequate. This is a political issue, obviously.
  • Making sure pensions are more transparent so that people can take informed decisions about their own retirement income
This is contradictory. A system where, say, people are guaranteed a particular percentage of median income as their state pension would by definition be "not transparent" or hard to forecast. But precise forecasts are necessary for financial planning of private pensions. But private pensions leave people at the mercy of the vagaries of the capital markets. And state pensions are, we're tendentiously told, unsustainable.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 09:01:40 AM EST
Maybe pensions should not be tied to age but basically for incapacity for work of greater or lesser degree?

That would leave pension entitlements to an individual administrative judgement call.

Given the way the Danish government has pressured Danish officials to make conservative judgement calls on disability benefits fuck over disabled people, I think it's safe to say Do. Not. Want. to that suggestion.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 09:07:50 AM EST
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A dignified income for everyone, retired or not, is not a (finalcial!?) product looking for a freer market.

--YET! And unless the proponents of privatization of pensions succeed. But it is those proponents desired framing.

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 11:10:23 AM EST
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Why is the EU policy apparatus framing the issue in a way that makes pension privatization the natural outcome and forces any other policy proposal to be argued against the grain?

Are they even aware of their framing? I'm sure if pressed they'd claim to be technocratic and politically neutral.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 11:40:36 AM EST
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You might consider that the technocrats have been exposed to a massive mis-education in political economics and also that most might have a long standing bias towards the more conservative and, especially, the more wealthy elements of the societies in which they serve. Socialist governments and parties in Europe have been on the defensive for so long that there is now very little left to defend, at least in the domain of popular conceptions of the society and economy. Unless there is effective push back this will remain the case.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 01:57:23 PM EST
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Socialist governments and parties in Europe have been on the defensive for so long that there is now very little left to defend, at least in the domain of popular conceptions of the society and economy.

They are as culpable as anyone for the misgovernment of the past 15+ years.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 02:48:48 PM EST
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And I thought you were trying to be charitable to the "technocrats"! Perhaps you meant some scare quotes around the word claim?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Oct 22nd, 2010 at 12:34:10 AM EST
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So that is what retirement products is! I was thinking canes and hearing aides and such stuff.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 21st, 2010 at 02:38:34 PM EST
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