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Palestinian bloggers protest Daily Kos | 104 comments (104 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: No. Did you? (4.00 / 2)
Jake, I know you are not pleased with having IP news on ET,

I have no problem with I/P. I have a problem with noise.

Your scrapbooks of photos, videos and third-party content lifted off random sites is noise.

your biggest claim being, like Helen's, that we have heard that before

And we have. We are not morons and we have been paying attention. Kindly cease presuming that we are and haven't.

the best way to make determinations about relevancy or importance is to allow the community including the lurkers to make that decision.

And presumably you feel qualified to speak for the lurkers? Because most of the contributors have told you in so many words that you do not speak for them.

Lurkers, of course, have the advantage of not calling you on your bullshit.

They do so through recommendations and commentary if they so choose to participate (and I am not referring to the spirals of meta comments such as seen in this diary).

You're the one who started the meta by whining about a completely on-topic comment that just happened to disagree with your thesis.

Your attempt to define what is appropriate for ET defies the stated purpose above,

ETiquette:

One extra point: on European Tribune, we expect to read thought-through arguments, and expect people to be ready to dig up evidence to support their claims. Doing so won't ensure agreement between opposed sides, but at least people are more likely to take each other seriously. By evidence, we don't mean linkdumps or long quotes from webpages and nothing else -- if you reference something, you are expected to at least point out how you think it is relevant and why you think the source is authoritative. By thought-through argument, we mean no firing from the hip, and at least reading the opponent's argument in full.

but also carries some implications of censorship.

Let's take it once again for the slow learners: Demanding a high signal-to-noise ratio is not censorship. On the contrary, insisting upon the right to pollute the airwaves with noise is a quite effective form of censorship, as seen in the media picture of the United States of America.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:03:06 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 0)
Most people who believe that the IP conflict is a bunch of noise are usually people who are interested in censoring IP off a site. I have been there before, and your own efforts in this regard have not gone unnoticed, however idealistic they may seem.

Frankly, I too have heard it before, the photologs of autumn leaves, train dairies, and views of unusual European cities or countries, and many other areas that seem to deserve the accusation of being noise, and of course, the we have heard and seen it before. Personally, I like them.

Finally your claim that the IP conflict is just another rehashment of Iraq and Afganistan dead stats just shows how oblivious you are to the IP conflict, and how much it affects both American and European political life, to say nothing of the Middle East's. On the other hand, that Daily Kos has banned another two IP bloggers is a death toll of sorts, certainly censorship of the kind you are now demanding of me.

Suggestion: put up your own IP diaries, the high signal type you abstractly claim is missing from my own.

by shergald on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:28:41 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 0)
Why is it you don't have your own blog, shergald?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:31:27 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 0)
Shergald now banned for passing the insult threshold. I feel sort of bad doing it, but only because he/she so clearly wants to be banned.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:32:37 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 1)
Gets my vote.

I'll welcome quality I/P reporting and content, but someone who's clearly using I/P content as an excuse to pick fights isn't doing the Palestinians or ET any favours.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:47:04 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 0)
The decision to ban has the support of Jerome and the entire editorial team.

Comments now closed in this thread. There's been enough of this sterile wrangling.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:49:32 AM EST
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Re: No. Did you? (none / 0)
Most people who believe that the IP conflict is a bunch of noise

Well, that should leave me out. I don't believe that the I/P conflict is noise. I believe that your scrapbooks about the I/P conflict are noise.

Finally your claim that the IP conflict is just another rehashment of Iraq and Afganistan dead stats

I don't. I claim that your scrapbooks are just a (poorly documented, poorly edited and poorly presented) rehash of the sort of reporting the those sites do a lot better than you.

It ain't about Palestine, shergald. It's about the fact that you seem pathologically unable to write anything interesting. The fact that you can make an inherently interesting subject like Palestine seem boring is a testament to your truly awesome lack of skill.

how oblivious you are to the IP conflict, and how much it affects both American and European political life,

No, I know perfectly well how and how much it affects European political life. It's a point of contention between Europe and our neighbours around the Mediterranean. But other than that, it does not affect Europe at all.

Suggestion: put up your own IP diaries, the high signal type you abstractly claim is missing from my own.

Suggestion noted.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:42:54 AM EST
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Palestinian bloggers protest Daily Kos | 104 comments (104 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)