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My future is hocked.  I never got a Pell grant but I do have 178k in student loans for U Michigan and UVA, and interest is growing.  I'll never be in a position to pay that off and my only hope is that the Board of Veterans Appeals will abide by the medical evidence I submitted and grant me 100% disability.  In which case those loans are forgiven by a recent law.  Or I marry here in Germany and walk away from the US entirely (nanne will you marry me?  I can be in Berlin in 3 hours!)

By contrast, I am attempting to write my dissertation at FSU Jena, Germany, where I pay no tuition and 190 euro a semester for student fees.

My experience has shown me that excellent higher education happens in former socialist states.  Unless you can afford it.  And unless you consider a university who gave us Schiller, Schlegel, Hegel and Marx a substandard education.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 07:44:39 AM EST
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Michigan is indeed expensive but it's also the most expensive public school in the entire nation.

I still don't get how you racked up that much in loans.

by Upstate NY on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:12:55 AM EST
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Well, my wife went for one semester (or was it called trimester? it was 4 months long and should really be a quadrimester, but it wasn't) at Georgia Tech.

She paid more for that than I paid for the entirety of my studies (8 years of them, including a one year Master of Science at LSE which accounted for something like 85% of all my fees)

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:22:15 AM EST
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Was she a foreign student?

I guess I'm simply referring to state education for state residents.

by Upstate NY on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:24:52 AM EST
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Indeed she was -you have a point there.
So was I at LSE of course.

Of course, yearly fees for French students in France are probably around 200€. So the part abroad was always going to be most of the costs.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:05:17 AM EST
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I don't get it either, but they say I did.  Not only that, but I was in-state tuition for both schools having served in the military and having more leeway for residency

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:24:17 AM EST
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My God, sorry to hear that.

Together with my wife we too have burdensome loans, but that's what 17 years of post-undergraduate education will do to you. And we knew what we were doing all along. We just didn't want to live on the meager graduate assistant income, at the time. I don't really blame our former selves, even now. Living on $12k a year sucks especially when you're young. I don't regret it.

by Upstate NY on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:26:45 AM EST
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LOL. I can't believe I just proposed to nanne on European Tribune!  That will be fodder for future wise-cracks.

Heh, I never said I wasn't desparate - nor proud

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 11:32:46 AM EST
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I completely missed this. I'd suspect we'd have to marry in the Netherlands, though :-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:16:44 AM EST
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Or Spain...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:17:26 AM EST
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