Dutch Cabinet Falls Over Uruzgan Mission | 115 comments (115 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 1)

What is the definition of a terr? Is it based on suspicion of future terrorism or accusation of having committed acts of terrorism? In the latter case would it be enough with Talibans who offer to put the accused on trial in a third country?

If so, then the 2001 Talibans were good Talibans.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden - Asia, World - The Independent

Mr Kabir said: "If America were to step back from the current policy, then we could negotiate." Mr bin Laden could be handed over to a third country for trial, he said. "We could discuss which third country."
But as American warplanes entered the second week of the bombing campaign, Washington rejected the Taliban offer out of hand. "When I said no negotiations I meant no negotiations," Mr Bush said. "We know he's guilty. Turn him over. There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt."

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 03:47:06 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 1)

Some of them were good Talibans even before 9/11. Here's the Guardian on March 2001.

Last month the Taliban's foreign minister, Wakil Ahmed Mutawakil, indicated that the Taliban might be prepared to hand Mr Bin Laden over to another Muslim country where the evidence against him could be weighed by a panel of Islamic scholars. This proposal, rejected by the US, has now been shelved.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 03:52:48 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 0)

And what is the definition of a good Taliban?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 04:10:24 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 0)

I am working with Starvids definition:

Starvid:

Good Talibans are Talibans that won't harbour terrs.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 04:54:48 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 0)

Somehow I read "are" as "and"... must have been the effect of sleep deprivation.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 09:32:14 AM EST
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To Avoid Sleep Deprivation (none / 0)

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Use a bucket of water as prevention.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 09:46:01 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (4.00 / 3)

"What is the definition of a terr?"

Someone who blows up women and children without proper authorisation from the Imperial Government. Also someone who's so rude as not to use proper high-tech delivery systems to dismember babies.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 05:50:13 AM EST
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Clinton defined "terr" for us recently (4.00 / 5)

Terrorism Defined: Bill Clinton Lights Our Way to Truth

Terror mean[s] killing and robbery and coercion by people who do not have state authority and go beyond national borders.

It just occurred to me that the "and go beyond national borders" clause is interesting. That makes Timothy McVeigh, who bombed a federal building during Clinton's presidency and abortion clinic bombers not terrorists, since they operate within national borders.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 10:12:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton defined "terr" for us (none / 0)

So if Richard Reed had used an internal flight he wouldn't have been a terrorist?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 12:21:13 PM EST
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Re: Clinton defined "terr" for us (4.00 / 4)

I guess the idea is that since Richard Reed is a self-admitted member of Al-Quaeda, he's a terrorist, since Al-Quaeda operates across national borders.

American right-wing extremists in contrast, being America firsters, typically do not go beyond the American national border.

Of course, the US engages in "killing and robbery and coercion" and goes "beyond national borders" (that's why it's considered to be an empire), but since it has "state authority", it is not a terrorist organization.

Nobody ever said that Clinton's not a clever fellow.

Also, Basque terrorists, for example, do not operate beyond (currently existing) national borders. Thus, they do not challenge the US's role as the hegemon which controls relations between states, and hence are not terrorists.

So Clinton's definition comes very close to saying that a terrorist is anyone who uses violence to challenge American power.

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by Alexander on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 01:49:28 PM EST
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Re: Clinton defined "terr" for us (4.00 / 6)

Also, Basque terrorists, for example, do not operate beyond (currently existing) national borders.

Really? I don't think there have been any attacks in France, but are you sure none of them come from the French side?

And then there's the Stern Gang's attempted bombing of Whitehall (the timer failed). That would make a Zionist group into terrorists. Does Clinton really mean to say that? Maybe he needs a better definition.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 02:42:04 PM EST
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MI5 Supplied British Passports to Mossad (none / 0)

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See link at the end of my new diary - America's Terrorist Arrested by Iran's SF in Pakistan

MI5 and British passports

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 03:11:49 PM EST
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Stern Gang and Aerial London Attack (none / 0)

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My recent comment @BooMan - Stern Gang and Aerial London Attack
and many terror acts Zionist bombing of King David Hotel.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 03:22:54 PM EST
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Re: Stern Gang and Aerial London Attack (none / 1)

No. The King David attack can be made into non-terrorism by a slight modification of the Clinton definition to refer to "future national borders". That's why I picked the Whitehall attack (the aerial London attack is speculation, while the failed Whitehall attack actually happened).

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 04:31:06 PM EST
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The American Conservative and Domestic Terror (none / 1)

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Article says it all.

Expression America Firster stolen? I liked the native First Nations at the Vancouver Olympics a lot better.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 03:42:49 PM EST
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Re: Clinton defined "terr" for us (none / 0)

Which makes the IRA not terrorists, most of the time?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 24th, 2010 at 06:32:59 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 0)

Al-Qaida people who do their best to launch attacks like the oneas against the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Among others.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Feb 24th, 2010 at 06:27:01 AM EST
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Re: Would Have Been Easy Prey (none / 0)

"Killers we don't like."

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 24th, 2010 at 06:34:06 AM EST
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A Good Taliban is a Captured Taliban (none / 0)

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From an earlier comment @BooMan ... Capture or Surrender?

Abdul Ghani Baradar was targeted as a negotiator

THE Afghan Taliban's military leader has been arrested in a crushing blow to morale and logistical support for insurgents fighting NATO forces in Afghanistan.

"Given the fact that (Baradar) is very close to Mullah Omar and one of the key Taliban leaders, this could be an attempt to, on the one hand, use him as a negotiator but on the other hand disrupt the leadership and force the Taliban to come to the negotiating table," International Crisis Group chief Pakistan analyst Samina Ahmed said.

The Dutch don't work with Jan Mohammed in Uruzgan province

● A GoA Reconciliation Policy in the Making
● Abdul Ghani Baradar and Hamid Karzai both from Popalzai tribe
● Expedition Uruzgan: the Road of Hamid Karzai to the Palace by Bette Dam

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 at 07:46:02 AM EST
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Dutch Cabinet Falls Over Uruzgan Mission | 115 comments (115 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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