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where is the hypocrisy in children of Chinese 'apparatchiks' studying abroad?

Shouldn't the apparatchiks ensuring you can get a decent education in China?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 07:39:42 AM EST
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Migeru: Shouldn't the apparatchiks ensuring you can get a decent education in China?

You mean you can't?

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.

by marco on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 07:56:21 AM EST
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If they send their own children abroad, then they believe you can't.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:03:35 AM EST
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And we're not talking about spending some time abroad as part of one's education. We're talking oligarchs sending their children to boarding schools in England (so to speak) for basic education.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:05:56 AM EST
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Note that Western university education of second-generation technocrats contributed to the transition from planned economy to capitalism in the formerly 'communist new EU members (which began about a decade before the end of 'communism', say when they asked for Western credits and joined the IMF).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:13:46 AM EST
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I would guess in the case of EU member states the hypocrisy is more likely to take the form of a minister of education sending their children to a local private school.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:22:51 AM EST
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But that won't have an effect on the econo-ideologial outlook of future technocrats, or would it?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 09:46:51 AM EST
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Oh, but it will. It protects them from the visceral realisation that some people are poor for systemic reasons (or just because they are poor), rather than from innate personal flaws.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 12:20:24 PM EST
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DoDo: If they send their own children abroad, then they believe you can't.

That's one possible explanation.  It would imply that those parents believed Vietnamese universities to provide superior education than Chinese universities.  That's also possible.

Another possibility is that those parents had some personal or professional connection to Vietnam and wanted their children to be exposed to that country.  Another possibility is that they wanted their children to have an international university experience in whatever country they could.  Another possibility is that the students themselves wanted to have an international university experience.  Another possibility is that those students did not get accepted into a Chinese university that they (or their parents) deemed prestigious enough, and felt that going to school overseas would be a better option than going to a less prestigious school.  (This last explanation was the case with a Beijing woman I know who is the daughter of a very powerful "apparatchik": she was not able to enter any of the three art schools she wanted to go to in China, so she went to study design in England.)

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.

by marco on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:21:26 AM EST
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Another possibility is that you're getting out of your way to rationalise innocent intentions into the behaviour of apparatchiks.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:30:51 AM EST
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Migeru: Another possibility is that you're getting out of your way to rationalise innocent intentions into the behaviour of apparatchiks.

Do you have any evidence you would like to offer that most Chinese "apparatchiks" whose children study outside of China send or allow their children to do so because they believe they can't get a decent education in China?  Or are you satisfied to favor this particular explanation based (as far as I can tell) on pure speculation?  Also, do you happen to have data on what percentage of Chinese "apparatchiks"' children study overseas?

The march of civilizations is a series of defenses that man has put up against the dread of pure existence.

by marco on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 08:51:12 AM EST
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are you satisfied to favor this particular explanation based (as far as I can tell) on pure speculation?

I guess I am. But I don't believe the Chinese are less hypocritical than others - they're human, too. And the phenomenon of people educated in public education (or even in charge of public education) who send their children to private education at home or abroad is too pervasive to ignore and, yes, it is hypocritical.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 6th, 2010 at 09:05:07 AM EST
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