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I think there is a high probability that the  safety qualifications and design of the plants is based on base operation and the implications of a regime of rapid continuous major adjustments over time have neither been studied nor accounted for in design or component specification. What happens to the structural integrity of irradiated metal that also is subjected to numerous rapid pressure changes?
by rootless2 on Thu Feb 11th, 2010 at 09:18:23 PM EST
Ask the French, they have plenty of experience in running PWR's like this. So has the gold-standard of safe nuclear operation, the US Navy.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 01:35:13 PM EST
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I mentioned damage at the Cattenom plant upthread, though the source says that there was disagreement between EdF and the oversight authority on whether load-following operation was the cause. Some words on actual variable output operation in France (which is apparently of limited extent, or so says the executive summary) should be in the other study Jérôme sent me, but I still have to read it. (Could become a follow-up diary.)

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 04:49:03 PM EST
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the gold-standard of safe nuclear operation, the US Navy.

Now that you mention, if anyone has below-top-secret insights on that...

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 12th, 2010 at 05:25:31 PM EST
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Please don't compare nuclear submarines to baseload power plants. One fundamental of military engineering is that there are no cost considerations.

As for the French, what is the intermittent source that the nukes have been following?

by rootless2 on Sat Feb 13th, 2010 at 12:55:47 PM EST
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Still, the US Navy (and Royal, Soviet and French navy) experience should tell us a lot about the mechanical stresses imposed by load following.

The intermittence the French nukes follow is not an intermittent source; but the intermittent demand.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sat Feb 13th, 2010 at 04:58:28 PM EST
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If there is no intermittent source, why would they have an intermittent load?
by rootless2 on Sat Feb 13th, 2010 at 07:49:43 PM EST
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People don't use power all the time.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Feb 14th, 2010 at 02:13:30 AM EST
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yes but this is generally predictable and slow.
by rootless2 on Sun Feb 14th, 2010 at 04:31:51 AM EST
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Nope, it's on the same scale. The largest amplitude change, the daily variation can be up to 50%. See the upper bound of the curves in the diagrams in the diary.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 14th, 2010 at 05:24:00 AM EST
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Also note that there is considerable variation between nuclear plants,so even if your (to me, dubious) claim of French operation is correct, then there is no implication that follows for German plants designed to different specifications.

The point, again, is that a complex piece of machinery designed under a certain set of assumptions about operation regime cannot be assumed to be reliable under a widely different regime because an abstract class of equipment, e.g. boilers, can, in theory, be operated differently.

As just one consideration, the training and staffing of equipment operators under the assumption of load following is not going to be close to the existing training and staffing.

by rootless2 on Sat Feb 13th, 2010 at 01:01:12 PM EST
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