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I don't agree with all of it... I think he misunderstands some of the Keynesian statements about stimulus... or at least doesn't take the question of a slump in demand seriously...

However, I found this part very interesting:

Our Next Economic Plague: Japan Disease_English_Caixin

An economy ages in many ways. The most common are tied to the exhaustion of factors such as production-labor, capital and resources. When an economy begins to develop, labor is the abundant resource. Hence, it makes sense to develop labor-intensive industries. When labor surplus is exhausted, it makes sense to develop capital intensive industries. When capital stock is high enough, investment cannot drive growth anymore. Economists call it diminishing returns, or more of the same yields less output. This type of aging doesn't worsen. Economists say a steady state equilibrium emerges when consumption and investment are balanced just right, sort of like permanent middle age.

Moreover, youthfulness is possible for a mature economy. Through innovation, an economy can produce more with the same inputs. This so-called total factor productivity (TFP) is an elixir for a mature economy. It determines how fast a rich economy gets richer. A 1 percent TFP is considered mediocre, 2 percent is good, and 3 percent is super.

Many economists argue for freer and cheaper economic structure to stimulate innovation. But, in the Internet era, innovations rapidly disseminate around the world. It's not clear if innovation benefits can be contained in any country anymore. For example, even though the United States is more innovative than Europe, it hasn't outperformed by much. Its celebrated prosperity during the Greenspan era turned out to be an old-fashioned bubble, not a reflection of superior innovation.

Diminishing returns define the aging of an economy in relation to capital accumulation. Population aging, now a more popular concern, is a relatively new phenomenon. Merely decades ago, life expectancy was not high enough for a society to have a large population of retired people. The world is transiting from the old equilibrium of a small retirement population to the new equilibrium of the retirement population similar in size to the working population. The transition is an aging process. When the new equilibrium is reached, i.e. the ratio of retired to working populations is stable, it is an aged economy.

I think it highlights interesting questions about the assumptions at work in defining "productivity." And the point that innovation no longer stays inside national bounds suggests that it's less and less meaningful to analyse economies in isolation.

Globally, we have an oversupply of labour... but we also have lots of capital unused... What Xie's piece puts in my mind is that we may have, in the West hit the limits of "capital availability" in spurring growth.

i.e. We've passed beyond the historical moment where throwing more capital at the economy automatically generated good rates of growth...

Now that might be a temporary moment because labour is so oversupplied and the regions where demand should require industries that capital helps build are just not buying much yet...

Still... one wonders if things have not changed slowly, such that capital is much less important for productivity than before...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 07:49:01 AM EST
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This is a sequence deeply wedded to the neoclassical catechism:
An economy ages in many ways. The most common are tied to the exhaustion of factors such as production-labor, capital and resources. When an economy begins to develop, labor is the abundant resource. Hence, it makes sense to develop labor-intensive industries. When labor surplus is exhausted, it makes sense to develop capital intensive industries. When capital stock is high enough, investment cannot drive growth anymore.

As long as there is ongoing technological development leading to repeated waves of innovation, investment can drive growth. The model above rests heavily on a fixed technological regime to explain growth by moving in the direction of exploiting relatively abundant factors ... without having any explanation for why there would be relatively abundant factors in the first place without technological change.

And of course any functional formalization of the neoclassical catechism cannot encompass a theory of technological innovation in which new technology is being developed, since the neoclassical catechism is based upon reactions to knowledge, and technological innovation requires prior discovery of new knowledge in the face of prior ignorance. After all, without knowing at the outset what there is to be found, it is never neoclassically rational to try to push back the boundaries of ignorance.

This is one of several fundamental flaw in Rostow's Stages of Development model, briefly recapitulated in the quoted section.

Historically, the surplus labor in the economies most successful at industrialization came from a technologically progressive agriculture that freed up labor from agricultural work while increasing incomes in the agrarian sector, making it a more effective market for the output of industry.

The contrasting model of exploitation of cheap labor currently employed in a non-progressive agricultural system more often leads to the "development of underdevelopment" than in the direction of active industrialization ... the difference between Brazil's South and Brazil's Northeast, or between India's Northwest and India's South, or between the US Great Lakes and Midwest and the US Southeast.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 10:41:26 AM EST
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Good points.

So, in effect, the failure to spread increasing productivity in agriculture to deep rural India and China is part of the problem...?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 10:50:12 AM EST
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Quite ... maintaining existing income flows to vested interests has a higher priority than what is needed for agrarian growth.

Of course, those conditions when they happen are not necessarily deliberately planned that way.

Consider the agrarian revolution in Japan under the Shogunate, as a side effect of the system of having the Daimyo live in the capital every second year (to keep an eye on them) pushing them to encourage commercial and cash crop agricultural activity in order to have cash incomes to tax as opposed to the traditional payment of land tax in weight of rice.

Or the system of allowing coffee farmers on the large estates to grow crops alongside the coffee to avoid having to paying them subsistence, which laid the fuondation for much of Sao Paulo's progressive small farm sector.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 05:52:07 PM EST
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In Japan, the other key point to the flowering of peasant agricultural productivity was the fixed land tax rate for most of the Edo period.  As changing the taxes was too politically difficult for all but the first few shoguns, peasants on the Shogun's land were able to keep most any productivity improvements they made, be they from crop diversification to fertilizer to new rotations.  Over time, this led to

  1. increasing integration of the countryside into national networks of production and distribution, as peasants sold their leftover stuff to wholesale distributors in Osaka and Edo.

  2. a rural consumer revolution, as the money was used to buy stuff, replacing plain material want/crude homemade goods with superior product.

  3. the growth of rural industries, as farm families looked to plug their labor supply into these new market systems through handicraft production in a variety of traditional industries.

All this resulted in Japan having a rather highly developed capitalist economy over much of its territory well before the country was opened to the West.  Already having such an economy made it possible for Japan to adapt to the global markets of the 19th century.
by Zwackus on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 02:35:22 AM EST
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Still... one wonders if things have not changed slowly, such that capital is much less important for productivity than before...

Given that the world is awash in capital and the strain that is being put on the economy in order to extract from it a "suitable" rate of return on capital, this might well be true.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 10:57:41 AM EST
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Awash in capital or awash in financial assets?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 11:12:58 AM EST
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Capital in the financial sense.

Assets are still overcapitalised as we know since asset prices have dropped but deleveraging hasn't been allowed to run its course because too many well-connected people and institutions would go bankrupt.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 11:19:58 AM EST
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The world is awash in claims on productivity, some of which are more plausible than others, but which sum to a ridiculous figure that has no basis in physical or social reality.

As Chris keeps saying - more or less - capital is not a substance, or even a number. Its value derives entirely from its ability to claim the productivity of others, and/or to monopolise resources.

If the productivity or resources don't exist, the book value is meaningless.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 11:36:00 AM EST
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...but it has real consequences because there are debt contracts tied to inflated valuations from the time the contracts were made, and denominated in money units. The serious people don't want to
  1. allow defaults on any of the debt
  2. allow inflation of the money units
so here we are.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 12:27:03 PM EST
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Being awash in promises from one party to another party to pay money under certain condition ... does that net out to a positive or a negative?

I'd not say the economy is awash in real capital overall, though it clearly has too much capital equipment in some sectors and demand-destruction policies leave some needed capital nonetheless unemployed.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 05:55:57 PM EST
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Globally, we have an oversupply of labour... but we also have lots of capital unused... What Xie's piece puts in my mind is that we may have, in the West hit the limits of "capital availability" in spurring growth.

This makes no distinction as to the ends for which capital is employed, or, in a utopia, is allowed to be employed. It assumes that capital is employed for productive purposes and then tries to explain why that doesn't always work. This is what the holders of the capital would have us think.

But in the USA and, now it seems, in Japan after 1990 capital was deployed to extract the maximum rent possible and if this resulted in cannibalization of the domestic economy that was just another "innovation" so long as the returns to the FIRE sector looked good, as with "off-shoring" of manufacturing operations. For the holders of capital the loss of domestic employment is a necessary consequence. If they can't externalize that consequence they will minimize it.

Mainstream Economics doesn't seem to really concern itself much with debt levels but the ratio of total debt to GDP. Had we shown concern with the debt to GDP ratio instead of wage inflation we would have been alerted to the problems of the asset bubbles and could have prevented them, we would have a more equal wealth distribution and larger consumer demand.

Goodhart's Law states that whenever an economic indicator is made the target for setting policy it loses the information content that would qualify it to play such a role. (Note 16, p.4 of Edward Chancellor's excellent White Paper, China's Red Flags, via Zero Hedge.) We have certainly succeeded in controlling wage inflation--to our detriment and the dropping of M3, the revisions to the CPI and all of the various measures of unemployment in the USA would seem to support Goodhart. We need better metrics AND better application of those metrics.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 01:37:07 PM EST
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The dark side of the savings glut - Investors Chronicle

There is, however, an important aspect of the story of the savings glut that often gets overlooked: if there is an excess supply of savings, what is the excess relative to?

The answer is: a demand for capital from companies. The flip side of the excess supply of savings is a deficiency of capital investment. As Federal Reserve governor Ben Bernanke said in a famous speech which popularised the notion of a savings glut, there has been a "dearth of domestic investment opportunities" in developed economies.

One sign of this dearth is that the share of capital spending in UK GDP has been trending downwards for years. Even before the recession began, business investment accounted for just 10 per cent of GDP, its lowest proportion since records began in the 1960s; it's now 8.5 per cent.

Granted, this has been in part a reflection of the fact that prices of capital goods - such as software - have fallen relative to prices generally. But it's unclear how relevant this is. It merely raises the question: why didn't companies respond to falling capital goods prices by spending even more?

Now, you might object that it makes no sense to speak of a lack of investment opportunities because profit rates have been high for years; in the second quarter of last year, non-oil, non-financial companies' net return on capital was 10.8 per cent - so, even in the worst recession since the 1930s, profit rates were higher than at any time in the 1970s or early 80s.

This objection, however, overlooks an important distinction - between existing investments and potential new ones. It's quite possible for capital in place to earn big returns while prospective new projects are expected to have low returns. There's no reason to suppose that what Keynes called the marginal efficiency of capital is close to the average profitability of existing capital; the idea that macroeconomic entities are stable, identifiable and smoothly differentiable is a pedagogic device, not (necessarily) an empirical reality.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 25th, 2010 at 05:50:28 PM EST
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"The dark side of the savings glut" in truth is who has the savings. Were savings distributed more equally it is possible that demand would be higher and there might be more investment opportunities. It would be even better were income more equally distributed, but the one eventually follows the other. And the point about new investment opportunities not having nearly the return of existing is certainly understandable when existing enterprises can largely be characterized as "rent seeking monopolies."

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 25th, 2010 at 08:53:32 PM EST
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The flip side of the excess supply of savings is a deficiency of capital investment. As Federal Reserve governor Ben Bernanke said in a famous speech which popularised the notion of a savings glut, there has been a "dearth of domestic investment opportunities" in developed economies.

All the savings are mortgage loans, not investments. As long as the economy circles around real estate market and other resources, the economy gets worse. But that's the way "the middle class" wants it, that is what they get. Rising house prices and wealth from rental value. Not from wealth creation, labour.

by kjr63 on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 04:41:40 AM EST
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