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We have to be much more precise with our definitions here.

I think a distinction between growth (as determined by financiers is one thing) whereas a phrase like "sustainable growth" means something quite other.

Growth is also associated with Keynes' advice to pump money into the public sector, so the term is also used as a cudgel. Axel Weber's crew insulted the IMF last week as growth-oriented softies.

I don't like it when a basic human impulse (growing, changing) gets perverted so easily. Nor do I subscribe to a notion of greenwash. After all, we can grow smaller.

by Upstate NY on Thu Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:17:28 AM EST
After all, we can grow smaller.

indeed, it's funny how we tend to forget that!

after growing bigger first, that's exactly what nature has our bodies do.

totally agree about the word hijack. nice catch about the 'growth as epithet', that's a new one to me. how low can they limbo.

I think a distinction between growth (as determined by financiers is one thing) whereas a phrase like "sustainable growth" means something quite other.

i see the first as vertical, the second more horizontal.

the word 'churn' is frequently mentioned here. can we visualise a system that rewarded dialling down churn, rather than the present one, which exists for it.

a lot of middlemen looking for a new gig, but how much less bloat and bubbles...

if we grow at 4%, it seems slow, but if we continued without rocking the boat, it would accrue to huge amounts over time, even adjusted for post peak oil perspective.

conservation and waste are still little more than concepts so far, compared to what we need to change.

thanks for turning us on to the archdruid a couple of years ago, De. he's making more and more sense.

 

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Apr 15th, 2010 at 03:01:18 PM EST
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