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But, like it or not, Labor is the Left party in the UK. As much as people want to see the LibDems as some kind of turn to the Left, the truth is that they are the same that Obama was.  A revolt of the middle classes whose goal isn't to create a social democracy, but to secure their position in society.  

That antiwar shtick is great, but it doesn't make you a Leftist.  It makes you a liberal.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Apr 28th, 2010 at 06:12:12 PM EST
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Like it or not, New Labour (with Brown as Chancellor) did things like the infamous 10p tax reform which resulted in poor people paying more tax at the expense of the middle class. They were also atrocious on civil liberties, and had all kinds of tax incentives directed towards the middle class and of no use to low-income people.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 28th, 2010 at 07:19:59 PM EST
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That's true, but Brown has been a major proponent of stimulus spending to fight the recession, which leaves him on the wrong side of the narrative in the press right now.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Apr 28th, 2010 at 09:49:23 PM EST
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Like it or not, I call it the way I see it.
If the "Left party in the UK" has become a Right party -it has- then I'll call it a Right party.

New Labour is in no way a leftist party. It's very close to Thatcher, which was extreme right.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Apr 29th, 2010 at 04:13:11 AM EST
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It may all be a pack of lies, but here are some of the Lib Dem positions on social issues:

Your Money

Under this Government millions of people on low incomes are forced to pay hundreds of pounds in income tax every year, keeping pensioners on the breadline and meaning that for many people in low paid jobs work simply doesn't pay. Even a person working full-time earning minimum wage has nearly £1000 taken in income tax. At the same time we have a tax system that lets big business and the very rich treat tax as if it is optional.


We propose to raise the threshold at which people start paying income tax from current levels to £10,000, cutting the average working age person's income tax bill by £700 and cutting pensioner's income tax bills by £100. These plans will mean that almost 4 million people on low incomes will no longer have to pay any income tax at all.

Thousands of people are losing their jobs every day as the recession takes hold. People losing their jobs are worried about how they will pay their bills and mortgages and how long it will take them to get another job. They are shocked and frustrated when they walk into a Jobcentre to find that they will have to wait 12 months for the chance to get extra training or professional support to find a job.


Young people have been hit hard by this recession and they need encouragement, support and practical help to improve their skills and enhance their work readiness. We need to keep young people within reach of the job market and we will do this by paying any young person completing an internship or work experience £55 a week for three months. At present only young people from better-off families can afford to build up their work experience; our proposals will mean up to 800,000 young people from all backgrounds will be able to take these opportunities.


Too many children are still leaving school without the knowledge and skills to be successful. Finding a good school is a struggle, lessons don't always stretch the brightest or support those who need more help, and classes are often too big for teachers to control.


For those youngsters leaving school, university is getting more and more expensive. To get a degree, young people are saddled with thousands of pounds of debt when it is tough enough to get a job, get on the housing ladder and make ends meet.

Liberal Democrats are the only party which believes university education should be free and everyone who has the ability should be able to go to university and not be put off by the cost.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 29th, 2010 at 04:26:29 AM EST
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