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There are two problems: The first problem is that times of growth seduced us into allowing the wealthy to take an ever greater share of the national product. This seemed acceptable as long as the economy was growing, but now that it is contracting, we need to claw back from the share of the pie going to the rich - otherwise the poor will pay for the depression, and that is not acceptable.

The second problem is that much of the wealth of the past boom was, in fact, counterfeit. Now the counterfeiters are demanding that their counterfeit money be made real out of your pension and salary.

(In principle, the two can be addressed separately, but I rather like the idea of insinuating that wealth disparity is due to counterfeiting by the wealthy - mostly because it's normally true.)

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 06:52:22 PM EST
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I agree with the counterfeit money argument and it should definitely be included. What I suggested is far from definitive, but was set forth to show that it should not be too hard to make these arguments in straight forward terms in any society suffering under GFC financial predation, from Greece to the USA. But it should be a little easier to get resonance in countries with a recent socialist history, even if the socialism has become social goals rather than anything economic based. At least, in Spain, socialism is not a dirty word, yet.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 10:14:21 PM EST
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I think every explanation should include something like this:
Migeru:
Productivity growth is a deflationary pressure. To counteract that pressure you need an expansive monetary policy. Otherwise, servicing debt becomes increasingly difficult, a crisis ensues and growth is halted.

Not only have we allowed people to counterfeit money we have based our economic development on people counterfeiting money.

by generic on Fri May 28th, 2010 at 05:59:59 AM EST
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The counterfeiting argument is a bit tricky.

The way I see it, any credit (including bilateral trade credit, overdrafts, and so on) adds to the monetary mass. Clearing houses and banks can act as underwriters for trade credit, and they can issue their own credit. Then the monetary authorities merge with banking supervision because they have a dual role as underwriters of bank credit and directors of monetary policy.

So, the State provides a deposit guarantee to the private banks in exchange for outsourcing to them the underwriting of trade credit and the creation of money as credit. The monetary authorities are supposed to keep track of the monetary mass created in this way, and curtail credit creation through their banking supervisory role if they see the monetary mass grow too much. If the monetary mass shrinks, the monetary authorities can inject money into the economy, by lowering interest rates or by buying bonds (issued by the State treasury or private firms) with newly created money.

Private banking for profit has an incentive to create as much credit as possible, as this results in higher personal income for the private bankers. This means that normally the central bank has to worry more about curtailing excessive private credit creation than about injecting money into the economy. But note that the conflict of interest inherent in private banking, where private bankers have an incentive to create as much credit as possible, whether the borrowers are creditworthy or not, in order to skim a fraction as personal profit, coupled with the identity of credit and money and the State guarantee of bank credit implicit in the explicit deposit guarantee, makes excessive private banking credit creation a form of counterfeiting.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 28th, 2010 at 07:01:02 AM EST
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But the contrast between banks that actually perform due diligence investigations on borrowers, verifying income and recent tax returns, obtaining an estimate from a licensed estimator, and a home inspection report and "mortgage broker" boiler rooms that are allowed to pump out high interest NINJA loans with no restraint from the responsible central bank authorities is not too hard to make. But perhaps these more obvious excesses did not occur in Spain.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 28th, 2010 at 09:00:47 AM EST
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When we compare those boiler rooms to "casino gambling" I fear we're giving casinos a bad name. Casinos skim 5% of the volume of gambling, just like the boiler rooms, but when someone shows up and wants to count cards and game the system by taking from the casino, the casino manager doesn't go along with it. First off, such counting of cards is illegal.

Not so in the banking system.

by Upstate NY on Fri May 28th, 2010 at 10:58:38 AM EST
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There are two problems:

There are at least three. The third is the poisoning of the minds of almost all economists trained since the '70s and the pollution of the public discourse with Neo-Classical Economic blather. That also needs to be hit upon regularly in order to push back against the madness upon us.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 27th, 2010 at 10:19:23 PM EST
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