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As you know, I'm fairly sympathetic to your view. But.. given your closing paragraphs you almost seem to be suggesting that you'd rather Obama's USA was more assertive in the world.

Or would you prefer it be assertive in some ways, with the I/P situation and less assertive, in the Middle East generally ? It does look a little scattergun and inconsistent.

However much the US likes to don the white hat of moral righteousness as it justifies its acts of world interference, history shows that the US is no different from any other country: It is only concerned with its own interests such as resource control and internal security. Foreign policy is NOT about making the world better, or at least it hasn't since Roosevelt; it's about ensuring that the administration looks good to significant parts of the US electorate. Latterly that has degenerated into persuading significant donors that their corporate interests are best ensured with the current party in power.

We may consider that Obama looks weak in foreign policy, but that's because we aren't seeing it as he does. He's inherited a country whose power and reach have been seriously compromised by his immediate predecessor, so he feels obliged to continue the rhetorical bluster of recent history, but must tack, gracefully or otherwise, to reality.

We want him to do the right thing, always. However, I've come to doubt that our views of the "right" thing and his even coincide to any significant part. He is a centre-left consensualist, which in European terms makes him quite right wing. He only appears liberal in comparison to republicans.

If you wanted somebody who'd do the "right" thing in european terms, we'd have Kucinich, Gravel or Sanders. But such a candidate is absolutely unelectable in USA. As Rumsfeldt nearly said "the world must work with the President we have, not the one we want".

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 05:55:16 AM EST
The piece was a bit of a rant, so I'm not surprised it's open to misunderstanding.  However my argument is not that I'd like a European style left of centre President.  

My argument is that Obama isn't serving the US's real interests and is thus contributing to, and perhaps hastening the US's decline in influence in world affairs.  Most of that decline is being driven by the US's relative economic decline (vis a vis Asia, Iran, Latin America etc.).  But some of it is also caused by a foreign policy which is only a little less delusionary that Bush's in effect, if not in intention.  

My case is that so far, little has changed in US foreign policy.  Better speeches, sure; a declared intent to be more multi-lateral in his approach, sure; lip service to the UN or EU, sure.

He has signed a new nuclear Treaty but hasn't yet persuaded the Senate to ratify it, I grant you. He hasn't yet started a new war although he is trying hard in Israel if he miscalculates how other states could respond.

Do I care if the US loses influence?  Only if the slack is taken up by even less enlightened powers. As always in International relations, progress is relative.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 06:20:43 AM EST
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My argument is that Obama isn't serving the US's real interests and is thus contributing to, and perhaps hastening the US's decline in influence in world affairs.  Most of that decline is being driven by the US's relative economic decline (vis a vis Asia, Iran, Latin America etc.).  But some of it is also caused by a foreign policy which is only a little less delusional that Bush's in effect, if not in intention.

Yes, but firstly I would re-state my view that our idea of what is in the long term interests of the US and theirs is probably larger than we imgine.

Equally, politics is the art of the possible. To illustrate Obama's dilemma, let's use the I/P situation. We might argue that arranging policy to arrive at a two-state solution is in Israel's long term interest. However, the reality of the coalitions within Israeli politics are such that either they don't agree that this is a long term solution or the short term appeasements make this long term issue more distant or even unachievable without outside imposition.

Given the voting arrangement of the Senate and the various special interests that must be appeased (eg Aipac), the gap between what is possible and what is, even in their terms, the US' actual long term interests is colossal. there will always be a majority for war, but for anything else, particularly anything that could be painted by Obama's political enemies as making america weak (ie anything that isn't a military solution) there will only be resistance.

Now we could argue that Obama is good at the emotional vision thing, the Hope and the Change, but he's never created a narrative of what Hope and Change are intended to achieve. That was probably a deliberate campaign decision, specifics are bad on the trail, but when you arrive in office you'd better know what you're there for, what your actual bottom lines are, where you're heading. It's this where Obama seems to almost flail around looking for a cause on which to hang his hat.

For example, he wanted "health care" as a campaign phrase, but at no point did he grab hold of the policy by the scruff of the neck and push it through. He has slogans, but he doesn't really have a narrative or a vision for the future of America. That's where the incoherence comes in. He has a destroyed economy and numerous domestic problems, even before BP threw a spanner in his energy policy, his is a presidency of damage limitation. Foreign policy is just a version of "carry on as before". And before was Bush.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 06:50:22 AM EST
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Thanks for this Helen.  My response to Edwin below more or less also applied to your post.  I don't think we actually disagree very much...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 1st, 2010 at 08:12:22 AM EST
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