Tuesday Open Thread | 79 comments (79 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 0)

Phew, we're through. Spain should beat Paraguay and meet Germany or Argentina in the Semifinals...

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 04:25:53 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 0)

Also: anyone seen a replay of David Villa's goal? The speaker on my TV was certain that he was on offside, but I could never catch the moment in the fast replays.

Also, the referee didn't like C.Ronaldo... looks like all the acting in his younger years came back to haunt him, Capdevila et al could foul him at will. (Which doesn't change the fact that Spain was clearly better.)

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by DoDo on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 04:56:18 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 1)

Definitely offside, but there's no way the linesman could have judged (much less seen) the back heel pass.

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by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:20:11 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 1)

You tell me:

I know nothing, I am (not even) from Barcelona...

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:29:15 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 0)

On second look, it's hard to say from this direction.

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by DoDo on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:39:10 PM EST
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If you took the next frame in the film it would be clearly offside...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:42:51 PM EST
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You can watch the (just barely) offsides here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CsuLDB5nlQ

Look at 1'08'' or so.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 07:40:46 PM EST
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That video is no longer available, but the 3D simulation Crazy Horse mentioned is here (warning: loud music, turn off the volume!):

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by DoDo on Wed Jun 30th, 2010 at 06:56:32 AM EST
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This is not the original video, but a 3D animation taken from the video. Probably not to violate FIFA copyright.

What I saw was similar, but with the actual video, including motion, rotated to various angles. So you could see each player's actual motion. I can't remember if all three German Senders have this technology, or only ZDF.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 30th, 2010 at 07:13:05 AM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (4.00 / 2)

The tv i saw has this new (to me) 3D technology, where they spin the capture to the offside line, marked on the screen. in super slo-mo, you see the moment of the heel kick, where Villa is a full stride forward. No way humans can do that in the normal play of the match.

In other words, yes offsides, but on a very well-earned goal. What's perhaps more important, is that Villa stayed on his feet enough to follow through on the rebound. awesome.

as if Spain shouldn't have had 3 more goals. Though Portugal also had a few sorry finishes to their breakaways. Pretty entertaining, though not as pretty as the teams are noted. my amateur impression was of a truly hard fought match, with the ref allowing a lot of fouls, like a champions league match.

Spain follows with a training match against Paraguay. We must face the hand of Argentina.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:44:14 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 0)

adding, the linesman probably missed the heel kick, and as Villa was not offside on the feed pass, no flag.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:46:55 PM EST
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I almost missed the heel pass, too. I was about to post this screenshot instead:

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:49:53 PM EST
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What's perhaps more important, is that Villa stayed on his feet enough to follow through on the rebound. awesome.

Yup, what makes Villa a great striker is that he follows through. He did it a couple of other times in this game.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:47:11 PM EST
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yeah, he really showed his worth tonight. but as the Cup progresses, Torres is also getting closer to form. Spain should take it all, they were absolutely masterful in ball control tonight, after the first 20 minutes nervousness. They also have a palpable confidence.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:57:05 PM EST
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Paradoxically, in the first 20 minutes they had the better control and most shots on goal until about 15 minutes into the 2nd half when they again took control of the game. The 40 intervening minutes, Portugal did better than the start and end of the game.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:59:21 PM EST
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but their passes at first were nervous, not confident. Portugal wasn't able to use their chances in that intervening time, i suppose because they're not quite the same level.

but this was a 1-0 match i really enjoyed.

until i came back to the net, and read your diary about the transit strike. right down to earth.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 06:06:12 PM EST
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I found Portugal defended admirably, but they were either unable or unwilling to do anything but counterattack. And they did mount a number of scary counterattacks, but that was it.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 06:07:55 PM EST
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That was their strategy. After all, Spain's goal was the first allowed of the tournament for them. (Hence, the goalie's tears.

But any nation that has Hugo Almeida as its top striker has to be wanting. (I have nothing against Hugo, he brought much to Werder these past years, he's got a wicked left foot... but missing a bit of finishing cleverness.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 06:15:08 PM EST
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Yes, the ref allowed a lot of fouls, but the game wasn't rough and the fouls weren't frequent enough to break the flow of the game.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 05:48:25 PM EST
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there was as much diving as fouls. brilliant acting by the millionaires on the pitch, very untertaining for us plebes. the ref was not swayed, and even laughed a few times about the divers.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 06:03:17 PM EST
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Think you've stumbled onto something: 'untertaining' has definite 'new word' possibilities.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Tue Jun 29th, 2010 at 07:42:34 PM EST
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Re: Spain - Portugal (none / 0)

Well UK clothing chain Next has a rather amusing entry in the search, go there now and put in Mugs

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 30th, 2010 at 05:34:25 AM EST
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