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First Helen mentioned this and now you do. What is this commonly held ET view?
by Magnifico on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:07:36 PM EST
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Afaik We're in favour of the two state solution based on the 67 borders.

We might have differences about our ideal solutions, but while there is absolutely no chance of any conceivable Israeli govt agreeing to progress towards such a solution, there's really nothing to say.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:19:07 PM EST
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I believe we are in favour of good debate where people can not only exchange by informed opinions but also defend contradicting positions. I was looking at new pro-Israeli poster who wandered here in "it's not just about the ships" thread and I was waiting for some good points. So far in vain. On the web there is a lot of good diaries in defense of Israel for example this one: Europe to Israel: Don't Annoy Us With Facts on Frum Forum, exploring attitudes of Europeans to Israel. No doubt with what purpose such diary was published yet it's worthy to read and will take extra effort to rebuff it for those interested in such debates.
by FarEasterner on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 05:05:50 PM EST
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Maybe it reads differently where you are but that essay comes across as patronizing, self-pitying and a little bit paranoid.

It's not that there are big things wrong with it, just in each paragraph I disagree with interpretation to the extent that by the time I get to the final third of the essay, it has departed so far from any understanding I have of the situation that the world view expressed is unrecognizable

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 05:16:26 PM EST
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that probably was one of the aim of such articles. To create [mis]understanding of reality in minds of readers. But such spins within spins, slight miseinterpretation here, slight [de]emphases there make it more difficult to untangle such propaganda pieces.

I wondered at above mentioned new pro-Israeli poster - did he read only Krauthammer and likes? With such intellectual arsenal he had no chance here to advance his point of view though not many visitors to ET blindly buy pro-Palestinian position. Lesson: "Always do your homework!"

by FarEasterner on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 06:51:30 PM EST
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Why, have you read pro-Israel opinions here?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:25:22 PM EST
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But neither are we "anti-Israel" either (I hope).

I despise Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, not just because of its immediate effects upon its intended victims, but also because it is doing harm to Israel and its inhabitants in the long term. Perhaps to the point of threatening its own demise from within.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:32:53 PM EST
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because only those who don't actively avoid the topic express themselves.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:58:28 PM EST
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First Helen mentioned this and now you do. What is this commonly held ET view?

ET doesn't have a specific policy on any particular issue (except in a few cases where we have issued whitepapers, petitions and/or responses to EU Commission questions). But my feeling is that mutual recognition along the '67 borders is the preferred starting point.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 08:15:28 PM EST
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