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c'mon, don't be deliberately dense. If you criticize Israel, you are talking about the policies of the government of Israel. The fact that they happen to be jewish is neither here nor there in that discussion, no more than the fact that most of the government of the USA is Christian is relevant to any discussion of their policies (whatever anyone thinks). It's about how people in power treat people who are not powerful.

the moment you start talking about jews with regard to the I/P situation you are into a whole world of grief of what it says about you and the baggage of attitudes you bring to the discussion. and people can use it against you, so if you want a serious discussion about Israel, refer to Israelis.

But if you just want to mess about and pretend to be gratuitously anti-semitic, then do it elsewhere. Please

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:15:45 PM EST
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My association with the term "Jew".

  1. I come from a non-religious family.

  2. My best friend in high school was Dave W; his family was Jewish (like being Italian; I'm 1/2 Italian; So?).

  3. I went to Union College in upstate NY in the early '70s.  A lot of the students were from Jewish families in the NYC area.  So?  They're still just human beings like me, from more affluent families possibly (doesn't take much considering the poverty I came from), but who gives a rat's ass.

So what does "But if you just want to mess about and pretend to be gratuitously anti-semitic, then do it elsewhere. Please" mean?  I'm lost on that one.

Here, let's try this.  Can you give me a word in another context which would cause a similar problem?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 04:34:57 PM EST
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I too was raised in a non-religious environment, what's that got to do with the price of tofu ?

It ain't what you think, it's got everything to do with how your argument is perceived by others based on the words you choose to express it with. And in a discussion about how the Israeli government behaves, it just ain't worth mentioning their religion because there's far too much negative history involved. And that gives others an excuse to not hear you when you speak about it. Gives them an excuse to start a ruckus about something you didn't even mean.

To the extent that if anyone mentions the religion in relation to the I/P situation, I immediately assume that either they're anti-semitic and have a bug about it or they don't have anything serious to say so stop reading; I don't actually which is true cos I'm not gonna engage.

I really can't believe you have lived in the US and missed all of the implications here.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 05:02:40 PM EST
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OK, implications, let's see.

I'm reading Lehninger's Biochemistry 5th Ed.; I was thinking the other day, "my bible", next to my bed.  Can you believe this?  Nowhere in this important text have I come across the term Israeli or Jew?  Go figure.

If I actually get my truffles project going here in order to help right the CA ship (I've got a prospective "operative" for the actual hands-on;one of my former student's who's currently doing Master's work at Davis) and I'm zeroing in on getting into the Jerry Brown for Gov. camp.  And get this.  ANYONE who can help me with my project is welcome ... I don't care about your color, whatever.  Problem solving is problem solving.  If it gets people jobs, if it puts food on the table, that's what counts.  

That's who/what I am, and I ain't changin'.  I guess I haven't been paying attention to all the useless bullshit most people do.  I"M BUSY!

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Jun 7th, 2010 at 05:39:31 PM EST
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