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*Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
due to latitude, no yields comparable to those in Spain can be expected
However, around the Summer Solstice you have to subtract 23 degrees to both latitides and you get cos(19º)/cos(7º) = 95%
The latitude effect is a bit more complicated than this, but still, it may not be as dramatic as the conventional wisdom would have it... By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
Including graphical calculate output at your own location thingy Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
glares bitterly at german nuclear phaseout policy
.. I was going to post something about the relative merits of various renewable energies on a economic level, but then I started to contemplate the fact that germany is currently still planning to shut down nuclear power plants nowhere near the end of their lifespans while building coal plants to replace them in the name of the enviorment and I got really bloody depressed. That one fact makes German energy policy offensively stupid.
To stop coal mining, we would need to stop the demand for coal.
And one way to do that is to make coal mining sufficiently expensive that the price rises to the level where demand destruction occurs. Which, given that wind is already cheaper than coal when you remove the coal subsidies, should not be a hard thing to do.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
I am negative on greenfield solar, too, however, there is non-arable land in Germany, too: highway sound barriers, rubbish dumps, former military airstrips and bases -- and also some landscapes destroyed by coal mining in the past...
the only reasonable way to do solar is to stick it in the north african desert
Half the yield of that in North Africa is still a lot. By the same rationale, there should be no wind power plants in areas with half the yield of New Zealand plants... *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
The building of thousand of km of east-west power lines - which will need to be done anyway, in order to integrate the European grid, regardless of what happens with North Africa - will work to raise the penetration threshold for intermittent power sources. But we are far from that threshold at present.
Re 2, no one disputes that photovoltaic today is more expensive than conventional alternatives. That's a strawman. Like every FIT-supported renewable, it is a developing technology that is getting cheaper, not just due to increased efficience but the maturing of production methods and the realisation of economies of scale. The price per kWh in Germany should get down to the level of the retail price (which, at least for the own consumption part, is more relevant for rooftop installations than wholesale...) in 2-3 years. And photovoltaic EROEI (which for long was better than painted by some detractors) improves, too. The latest number quoted for bringing back the energy invested, not just in the solar cell but the whole module with auxiliary electronics, is 3.5 years, again in Germany. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
But you ought to get out of the "harvesting photons" perspective (quoting you above). That's not all that RES policy hopes to achieve. In fact, by sticking to that question, you run into the peak demand/supply questions that are largely expensive to solve. The objective is to commoditize PV panels, put them everywhere, and reduce the share of household consumption coming from the grid. Energy savings are the next step to that end, but unfortunately creating a high return industry out of chimney renovation and insulation is more complicated than out of ground mounted PV.
Putting panels in North Africa is trying to replace nuclear power with solar panels. Laudable but I doubt, as you do, that is it is going to be easy. Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
I believe losses are low for HVDC lines, but the transforming stations are complicated and costly.
For HVAC as exists today in France, the losses are becoming quickly important when distance grows.
Solar in the algerian desert is always going to be half the cost or less because the land is cheaper and solar exposure is twice as high,
Not to put too fine a point upon it, but that matters fuck all if you don't have the copper to get it to Germany.
and thus it will never, ever, make economic sense to build them in germany.
Except that this does not follow from your premise.
Energy policy is a little bit more complicated than just creating a potential difference between the phase and ground wires on your power plant...
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