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The following diagram, which should be considered conceptually if not necessarily quantitatively appropriate, illustrates the main issues.
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Thomas:
and as for the back end.. Say what? I am not avare of any proposals for waste management that are ongoing energy hogs! A geological repository does not have a bloody electricity bill.
There is no ongoing energy hog in the graph, if there was one phase 3 would not stop. Phase 3 consists of: waste conditioning, clean-up, cooling in safe storage, dismantling and final disposal. All of which costs energy. Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
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Greedily eating something, or taking too much of it: see wikt:hogging
So an energy hog would be something that use (too) much energy. Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
The diagram actually says if you know the figures for each stage, add all the energy gains, minus all the energy costs, the difference is the net energy. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
What do you mean?
I am not avare of any proposals for waste management that are ongoing energy hogs!
To be pedantic, waste has to be transported and treated to; but methinks the disposal energy costs include disposal site construction, concreting-over, and the energy needed by the machines doing the dismantling and collecting the soil... *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
If you originally meant to make the point that the energy input of construction is much less compared to annual production than indicated on the graph, you may have been right. But, being the nitpicker, I have to put the figures right.
This source claims the Olkiluoto 3 EPR is 250,000 m³ concrete (about 600,000 t) and 52,000 t steel. Calculating with 20 GJ/t for steel and 1.6 GJ/m³ for concrete, I get 1.44*10^15 J, or 0.4 TWh. I don't know how to estimate the energy use to move the excavation volume of 450,000 m³ and the energy input of the making and transport of other building materials, but the total is probably not magnitudes higher. Against this stands an annual production of 14 TWh at a high capacity factor of 97%.
Then again, the real question marks still concern the enegy input of making the fuel and decommissioning. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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