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You quoted Richard Florida:

Our transition from a Fordist mass production economy, based on the assembly line, to a knowledge economy...[snip by DoDo]
This reads as if this just happened, rather than being made to happen by pursuing policies of de-industrialization, and by accepting policies with de-industrialization as a natural consequence, whether promoting the power of transnational corporations with mis-named "trade" agreements that primarily focus on the freedom of corporations to exercise corporate power across national borders, or the "fight inflation first" strategy of the Fed that biases the US exchange rate against the interest of exporters and toward the interests of importers, all the while their primary target is the prevention of full employment.

Or, to put it another way: trade imbalances make a national economy a fantasy; the Fordist mass production economy is alive and well, it just exists on a larger scale, with the assembly lines relocated to China.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 16th, 2010 at 02:16:39 PM EST
... the benefit of knowledge about how to improve that assembly will mostly accumulate in China.

"Knowledge" is not some free floating putty that just takes an "educated entrepreneur" to turn it into magic value added ... it is normally embedded in equipment and skilled workforce.

Richard Florida actually says that in addition to teaching reading, writing and maths, American schools should also teach entrepreneurship. As if the normal American school was presently teaching reading, writing, or maths.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Aug 16th, 2010 at 03:31:49 PM EST
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Ah, but knowledge economy is not about production it is about branding, intellectual property and making the producers accept that most of the income from what they produce goes to highly paid symbol analysts in the west. Oh, and about branding of copyright, patents, trademarks, design patents etc as intellectual property to make it fit into the dominant narrative.

I heard something about a country having a revolution some two hundred years ago against absentee ownership and taxation without representation. They must not have understood the finer points of the absentee economy.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 16th, 2010 at 04:06:53 PM EST
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Oops, sorry, maybe I was talking about the "Information Economy" ... anyway, the economy where knowledge is used to provide material support to societies activity.

There is, indeed, that economy of subdividing and slicing and dicing existing income streams to various "Intellectual Property" owners ... but without an actual income stream to slice and dice, its like froth with no beer.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Aug 16th, 2010 at 05:36:31 PM EST
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Let them eat knowledge!

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Aug 16th, 2010 at 10:26:56 PM EST
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It could be that he is talking about but with quotes like this I doubt it:

The Roadmap To A High-Speed Recovery | The New Republic

Between 1980 and 2006, the U.S. economy added some 20 million new jobs in its creative, professional, and knowledge sectors.

Especially if we compare with the metric used in the transition to post-ww2:

The Roadmap To A High-Speed Recovery | The New Republic

By 1940, the number of people employed in R&D had quadrupled, increasing from fewer than 7,000 in 1929 to nearly 28,000 by 1940, according to the detailed historical research of David Mowery and Nathan Rosenberg.


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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 09:08:39 AM EST
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But that's not 20m in R&D ... its all "creative, professional and knowledge" sectors. People employed part time at $18 per contact hour to teach students conned into going into debt on their student loans to pump up the profitability of private two year business colleges are part of that 20m, for instance.

Look at the growth in employment in "creative, professional and knowledge" sectors in the US from 1945 to 1960, as a percentage of the workforce, and the comparison will not seem nearly as dramatic as 21,000 in 11 years versus 20m in 25 years.
 

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 12:19:24 PM EST
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I was not comparing the numbers, they just followed with the quotes.

What I meant was that the metric "employment in creative, professional and knowledge sectors" looks to me to be measuring capturing of the production profits through enforcement of various IP-rights. It could be development of production, but when compared with the metric of R&D in R&D labs connected to production as measurement of the post-war eras manufacturing society, I think it is clear that it is not R&D connected to production that he focuses on now.

I would argue that todays IP-funded capturing of production value is the mirror of the outsourcing of the actual production. Through treaties like TRIPS the countries that now houses the manufacturing has been made to accept (for the time being) that a big piece of the value is captured by western design firms. I think this will end soon after the outsourcing trend ends. When China has all the production why accept it?

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 01:56:58 PM EST
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