Largest offshore wind farm stuns media | 32 comments (32 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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I watched that at lunchtime and was wondering who the elderly opponent who was saying that wind was taking funding away from other forms of renewables, and what his pet renewable hobby horse was.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:18:30 AM EST

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Some people are wondering what happened to wave and hydro-power. There's an awful lot of fast flowing rivers in Scotland that could happily be generating power. If the Scots resent it, they can always charge us.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:33:38 AM EST
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I also noted via another article in Grauniad that there are some people going around explaining nuclear power's use in base load. Except reading between the lines of what there was, I think they're being slightly dishonest about it.

Did you also notice the way they highlighted that, no wind = no power and how you can't store the energy as if that was unique to wind ?

course, we could use surplus electric to create chemical energy storage via alcohol or ammonia but nobody has really worked that one through cos we've never really had the situation before.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:37:33 AM EST
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A possibly widespread form of electricity storage would be electric cars charging up at night - storage that would come at no extra cost to the system.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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Actually, that's a beautiful example of narrative logic used to score a rhetorical point.

It makes absolutely no sense as a rational argument, but people hear 'windmills destroy renewable energy' - and that's what they remember.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:56:21 AM EST
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What makes it better, in your view, than Any Other Bollocks Narrative?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 02:54:46 PM EST
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The ju-jitsu factor - arguing, with apparent success, that white really is black.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 02:58:54 PM EST
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So is any blatantly false paradox a more catchy narrative than the <yawn> truth?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 03:22:32 PM EST
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It's not blatantly false - it's clever use of pseudo-logic to subvert an obvious take-away point, and to turn a real success into an apparent failure.

It's standard practice from the US right to take strengths and turn them into apparent weaknesses.

It would be foolish and naive not to assume that the same thing can't happen in the European media.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 03:40:00 PM EST
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No argument from me on turning strengths into weaknesses, and no illusions on my part about the European media. But it is blatantly false because wind is in itself a renewable - as you said, it "makes absolutely no sense as a rational argument".

The question then being why it really matters that a bunch of dickheads prefer this nonsense to less nonsense.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 04:03:10 PM EST
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They prefer because it's persuasive.

Facts != persuasion. Persuasion can be slimy, misleading, indirect, and criminally dishonest. In the hands of the Right it often is.

That doesn't stop it being an effective influence on opinion, and ultimately on policy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 at 04:13:27 PM EST
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