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Do we have similar maps for the Israeli proposal? Compare-and-contrast tends to be a useful exercise in these cases.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 12:05:36 PM EST
I don't know how reliable this is, but you won't find anything else comparable...

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 12:34:08 PM EST
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But that is considerably more than 10 %...

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 01:16:34 PM EST
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According to Haaretz:

Haaretz exclusive: Olmert's plan for peace with the Palestinians - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Click here to view the map detailing Olmert's peace plan

(pdf)

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 03:12:44 PM EST
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I don't know enough of the local geography to say for sure, but it does strike me that the biggest bulk of land transfered to the Palestinians is "151 sq. km in Judean Desert".

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 03:16:38 PM EST
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Yes, Olmert didn't accept (in fact rejected) the principle of land-swaps of equal size and value.

The key point about the Olmert offer is that it retains the settlement blocs, which makes a Palestinian state nonviable. Olmert's offer is just a minor variation on Israel's standard rejectionist position: see the maps and explanation provided here.

The Heathlander

by heathlander on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 07:47:23 PM EST
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Good article, in particular when it comes to the consistency on the Israeli side, 1967 and onwards.

Found these parts enlightening:

Lawrence of Cyberia: Details Of The Olmert Peace Plan For The West Bank, Revealed Here And Nowhere Else On The Internet!

(As a quick aside here, I should mention that what Israel refers to as the "West Bank" in its final status offers, is not the West Bank as it is internationally understood.  When Barak, Sharon and Olmert talk about relinquishing x per cent of the "West Bank", they mean that part of the West Bank which is left when you have removed in advance from the equation Jerusalem in the West and the Jordan Valley in the East. Sharon and Olmert proceed from the assumption that those two areas will be annexed to Israel - Barak talks about the Jordan Valley remaining under long-term, "temporary" Israeli control, which amounts in practice to the same thing - and are not up for discussion. So when they talk about "giving" to the Palestinians 93 per cent of the West Bank, they really mean 93 per cent of that 80 - 85 per cent of the occupied West Bank that they are even willing to negotiate over).

Lawrence of Cyberia: Details Of The Olmert Peace Plan For The West Bank, Revealed Here And Nowhere Else On The Internet!

the percentages themselves are not significant. It's not so important that Israel wants to keep 6 - 8 per cent, what is significant is where that 6 - 8 per cent is, and what purpose does it serve Israel to hold on to it. Look back to what I wrote under point one of this post, about how the unchanging Israeli plan for the West Bank over the last 40 years is to control the West bank by cutting off the Palestinians from Jerusalem, from the outside world, from their arable and water resources, and from each other. That is where the significance of the last 6 - 8 per cent lies. 


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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Nov 15th, 2011 at 10:48:20 AM EST
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Didn't this plan date from a point where Olmert was already a lame duck and was only concerned about his reputation in history?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 03:16:46 PM EST
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No official maps, afaik, but here's one Ha'aretz put together on the basis of what it heard from "sources" about Olmert's offer: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/images/iht_daily/D171209/olmertmap.pdf

The Heathlander
by heathlander on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 07:45:48 PM EST
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Thanks! (for the welcome.)

The Heathlander
by heathlander on Mon Nov 14th, 2011 at 07:48:20 PM EST
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