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Oh come on. Voting is an exercise of political power, not a love affair. Rublaca promises to tax banks and protect the health care system and says that the indignants have a point. Yet that's "too late" for the disappointed lovers of the fake left.
by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 09:13:31 AM EST
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PSOE promised that before the last election too, and what they delivered was a constitutional change which will lock in right-wing economic policies for the foreseeable future.

If you believe that there is any structural, institutional gain from voting PSOE over PP, then you're kidding yourself. There is structural, institutional gain in voting for the post-communists. But prissy whiners like you who insist that anybody who isn't voting PSOE is effectively supporting the PP are not helping to get that point across.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 09:19:58 AM EST
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Starts in 2020,

Unlike Germany, Spain will not specify the size of the deficit cap in the constitution. According to the draft, the new clause will merely say a cap must be set by either the European Union or, in its absence, the Spanish parliament. The limit could also be broken at times of recession or national crisis.

just marketing pr that means nothing.

by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 10:49:14 AM EST
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Would you mind sourcing your quotes?

This is from a diary of mine on the topic:

There's only one provision of the proposed New Article 135 (in Spanish) which will have immediate effect:
Los créditos para satisfacer los intereses y el capital de la deuda pública de las Administraciones se entenderán siempre incluidos en el estado de gastos de sus presupuestos y su pago gozará de prioridad absoluta. Estos créditos no podrán ser objeto de enmienda o modificación, mientras se ajusten a las condiciones de la Ley de emisión.
Credits to service interest and principal on the public debt of the various Administrations will be understood to be part of the expense account of their budgets, and their payment will have absolute priority. These credits won't be subject to amendment or modification, as long as they keep to the conditions of the law by which they were issued.
Update [2011-8-30 3:59:57 by Migeru]: The emphasised text is what's being added by the amendment.
The only provision with immediate effect is that paying the national debt takes priority over health care, education, unemployment insurance, national defence, etc, etc.

On top of this, the Socialis presidential candidate came out and tried to sell this to the public with the argument that it was "a pro-European reform". As if we're stupid.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 01:12:56 PM EST
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It's funny that there is a similar amendment in the US constitution, put there to prevent rejoining Confederate states from defaulting on the Union civil war debt.

Here's my quote source

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/aug/26/spain-constitutional-cap-deficit

by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 02:00:36 PM EST
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This will prevent Spain from defaulting on the Euro wars debt.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 02:03:23 PM EST
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"But prissy whiners like you who insist that anybody who isn't voting PSOE is effectively supporting the PP are not helping to get that point across."

Indeed - because most people who are not voting PSOE are not voting left, they are just not voting, thus assisting PP. Arithmetic is so inconvenient at times.

by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 10:52:23 AM EST
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Boycotting elections that are essentially undemocratic is also an act of political power.

If you have paid any attention to what was said in the squares of the indignados, you would know that.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 09:23:27 AM EST
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It is an act of political power - for the right.
They are more interested in actual power, not symbolic gestures. Except symbolic gestures by the left which result in actual power for the right.
by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 10:46:04 AM EST
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The right already has power, via its ownership of the economy.

You seem to confuse the political process and the right's use of it to arrogate legitimacy of its entrenched power with the actual obtention of power itself.

I would suggest this undermines your analysis completely.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Nov 21st, 2011 at 06:32:01 AM EST
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