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And obviously that can't be the PSOE's fault for alienating a good third of its voters? It clearly must be the left's fault for... what? Not being able to pull magic fairy dust out of their ass and go from being 4 % of the electorate to being 24 percent in the span of time it took the PSOE to convince those 20 percentage points that a PSOE vote was worth less than a piece of toilet paper?

Obviously, not being able to perform magic is a serious handicap for the left.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 09:53:27 AM EST
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Ah, so until a few months ago you relied on the PSOE to do the right thing? Really?
And all this time, the left has been busily having indignant meetings urging people to vote for leftwing parties that have been organizing?

You keep thinking that the Social Democrats manifest flaws are an excuse.

It's all their fault
We warned you
We said it would
end in doom

And now the right
will rule you
and we'll be gloating
in our room.

by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 09:58:21 AM EST
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Ah, so until a few months ago you relied on the PSOE to do the right thing?

No, but the majority of those who voted for them last time apparently did.

The left can organise, it can make propaganda, it can stand for election. But it cannot do Jedi mind tricks, and when the PSOE shoots itself in the head two months before the election, it can't scramble a response that will catch all the now homeless voters. Believing that it could is an act of pure wishful thinking.

And all this time, the left has been busily having indignant meetings urging people to vote for leftwing parties that have been organizing?

Yes. If you missed that, then you haven't been paying attention.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 10:05:33 AM EST
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But PSOE was in trouble in the May elections.

http://www.nolesvotes.com/

by rootless2 on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 10:16:56 AM EST
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The PSOE electoral rout started in May 2010, when ZP capitulated to the European austerity strategy.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2011 at 01:02:02 PM EST
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That's the point. Voting habits do not change so radically in two years that the PSOE abdication to right wing economic policies as imposed by the CDU and welcomed by the PP makes an anti-PSOE, anti-PP majority an electoral possibility.

With a 180 degree turn by the PSOE, with the requisite sacrificial lambs of PSOE supporters of the ECB colonization of Spain, it might be possible to reverse the outcome in a single election cycle, given how painful the years ahead will be.

Failing that, with a PSOE split and reconstitution of the colonial independence faction, it might be possible in a few election cycles.

Failing that, with the PP as a "Tory" pro-dependence party and the PSOE as a "Whig" pro-dependence party, a long slow process of party building lies ahead, similar to the long, slow replacement of the Canadian Liberal Part with the Canadian NDP.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Nov 21st, 2011 at 12:21:33 AM EST
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