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Flawed Role Model: Germany's Finances Not as Sound as Believed - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

it is debatable how much longer Germany can be seen as a refuge of stability and security. In reality, German government finances are not nearly in as good shape as the chancellor and the finance minister would have us believe. The way that certain important indices are developing suggests that Germany may not retain its position as a role model in the long term. Government debt as a percentage of GDP is already at more than 80 percent, which compared to other European Union countries is by no means exemplary, but in fact average at best.

When it comes to their debt-to-GDP ratios, even ailing countries like Spain are in better shape, with values significantly lower than 80 percent. Critics, irritated by Merkel's and Schäuble's overly confident rhetoric, are beginning to find fault with Europe's self-proclaimed model country. "I think that the level of German debt is troubling," says Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, whose country has a debt-to-GDP ratio of just 20 percent.

Despite the nascent criticism, Merkel and Schäuble will be patting themselves on the back once again at this week's final debate on the 2012 federal budget in the Bundestag, the German parliament. They will point out that Germany is in much better shape than its partners in the euro zone, not to mention the United States. They will also praise conditions in the labor market, rising tax revenues and the declining budget deficit.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 06:41:51 AM EST
Flawed Role Model: Germany's Finances Not as Sound as Believed - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
Jens Weidmann, the president of Germany's central bank, the Bundesbank, warns that the tax cuts at least will have to be offset elsewhere in the budget. "Germany mustn't lose any time in balancing its budget," he says.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 06:46:20 AM EST
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Uh... isn't inflation the mandate for the Buba? Monetary policy, not fiscal? You would never hear talk like this from the Riksbank.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 12:28:45 PM EST
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Well
... the ECB is already so far down the road of telling governments what to do and what not to do in the fiscal and structural reform domains, that one is hardly surprised by yet another lecture on budgetary policy from the Eurotower.  Traditionally, continental European central bankers speak very little about monetary policy in public, and are often unwilling to engage in public debate or answer questions about their monetary duties, but carry on endlessly about budgetary and structural reform matters.  It's always easier to speak about things you have no responsibility for, that are not part of your mandate and about which you probably don't know very much.
Weidmann belongs to a proud tradition of Continental Central Banking.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 12:30:31 PM EST
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See Bundesbank attacks Schäuble's lack of ambition in consolidating the German budget just yesterday.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 06:47:01 AM EST
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Deficit is around 2% of gdp this year. I wouldn't tell this troubling. Only to people who are obsessed with public debt like the neolibs at spiegel.
by IM on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 07:31:28 AM EST
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Isn't a deficit of 2% dangerously above the constitutional limit introduced by the merry band of idiots in the Bundestag in 2009?

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 07:36:17 AM EST
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This abitrary limit is not in force yet. And only neolib idiots like the spiegel worry that.
by IM on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 07:51:18 AM EST
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Clearly, 'the markets' disagree with you.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 09:19:31 AM EST
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As does the Bundesbank.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 09:39:47 AM EST
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The "markets" did think, 1.92% yield is to low. Since taht is below the infaltion rate, taht is not even unreasonable.

As far as I remember, tehre already there some failed  actzins bakc in late 2008. The debt agency bakc then said that this is just haggling over price. They there rigth. Back then.

The Bundesbank and public deficits is  a pathological relationship.

by IM on Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 at 10:17:21 AM EST
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Speaking of the neolibs of SPIEGEL, the apparent insurrection within the editorial boards seems to be in attack mode in the past week:

  • Downthread afew quotes Flawed Role Model: Germany's Finances Not as Sound as Believed by Ralf Neukirch and Christian Reiermann. I frankly didn't expect this piece (from the current print issue) to be translated to English.

  • A few days earlier, the German-language Spiegel On-Line published a different version of the above article as a commentary under the byline of a different author (a new ex-FTD guy), which differs in being sharper. Already the title, which translates to "The Fairy Tale About The German World Champion In Saving". It also mentions Volker Kauder's "Europe now speaks German" comment and calls it chauvinistic, explicitly compares Germany's debt level with that of Spain, doesn't just mention Juncker's swipe but judges it correct, completely diverges in its argumentation by crediting Germany's good situation on deficit-boosting stimulus measures in 2009, and ends with:
    Die aktuelle Regierung dagegen macht mit ihren überheblichen Lobgesängen auf die deutsche Staatsdisziplin vieles kaputt in Europa. In Griechenland, Spanien oder Italien - wo die Deutschen für ihre Tugenden einst zumindest geschätzt wurden - werden sie nun vor allem als arrogante Zuchtmeister wahrgenommen, die den Menschen auf dem Rest des Kontinents erklären wollen, wie sie zu leben und zu arbeiten haben. Das kann auf Dauer nicht gutgehen.The current government, however, ruins a lot in Europe with its arrogant hymns of praise upon the German state discipline. In Greece, Spain or Italy - where once the Germans were at least valued for their virtues - they are now viewed primarily as arrogant taskmasters who want to tell the people on the rest of the continent how they have to live and work. This cannot go well on the longer run.

  • Two days ago, they published a guest commentary by the deputy chief editor of the Spiegel group's business magazine, which argues for allowing the ECB to act as lender of last resort and portrays the German government and central bank as being alone in their position in the world [which is unfortunately not entirely correct]. I found this most noteworthy because the author seems far from being free of neolib received wisdom (he says no central bank intervention is correct on the longer run), but recognises the short-term role in fighting the crisis. Also, he dismisses comparisons of the ECB to the pre-Euro Bundesbank on the basis of the different environment they operated in: federal Germany was a transfer union, and finance was not yet deregulated.

  • Yesterday, they published another guest commentary by Wolfgang Münchau, allowing him to call the two notions that the crisis is one of public finances (rather than private finances which became a problem for previously low-deficit/surplus countries too due to crisis mismanagement) and that Germany's pre-WWII main economic crisis was the hyperinflation of the twenties (rather than the ensuing depression of the thirties; also see comment by Metatone followed by debate between IM and afew) "old German lies".


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 24th, 2011 at 04:11:34 AM EST
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Reminds me of On the true agenda behind Der Spiegel's story that Greece is thinking of exiting the euro by Yanis Varoufakis six months ago
If I am right, who sent this message? Der Spiegel would never act by itself and without coordinating with powerful German policy makers. My sources tell me that these circles are mainly located within the German Finance Ministry and, to a lesser extent, in one or two of the larger banks. In association with Der Spiegel they have been sending tamer messages along similar lines for a while, namely that the Greek debt is not sustainable under the present policy mix (see FTAlphaville's account of that series of messages utilising Der Spiegel as the main conduit).

Having lost patience, once their signals were largely ignored, Germany's Finance Ministry's `people' must have decided to employ the big guns of yesterday's signal. They took a partial truth (that the Greek PM had looked at the potential costs of a Greek exit from the euro), amplified it by omitting to mention all the other scenaria which were considered and, hey presto, a small tempest was unleashed on Europe's leadership. All they then did was to watch the panic perform its miracle. What miracle? Concentrating the mind of Mrs Merkel, Mr Papandreou and assorted ministers on the importance of living, for once, in truth.

More precisely, the message sent by the Spiegel incendiary article was that the policy of fresh expensive loans for insolvent states, combined with savage austerity at a time of deep recession, does not and will not work. That the time for debt restructuring for the eurozone's stressed periphery has come, as has the time for a rational resolution of Europe's banking crisis. To drive their point home, the circles within Germany that saw to it that Spiegel publishes this article illustrated vividly, for Mrs Merkel's and Mr Papandreou's benefit, that there is something far, far worse than a debt restructure: the commencement of a successive elimination of countries from the eurozone that will give rise to magnificent levels of speculation in the money markets as to who comes next and when.



To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 24th, 2011 at 04:37:08 AM EST
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There is indeed a connection to the first article from the print issue (editor Christian Reiermann). But the other three are op-eds with no new information at all, not articles leaking and spinning insider information as the work and agenda of the anonymous source, with Spiegel's neolibs as willing conduits.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 24th, 2011 at 04:53:22 AM EST
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BTW I wonder who plagiarised who between the op-ed by Stefan Kaiser (published in Spiegel On-Line on 17 November) and the article from two other authors (published in the Spiegel print issue on 21 November), seeing that the intro and several details are the same but the conclusion different.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 24th, 2011 at 04:58:26 AM EST
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Münchau's headline is: Es ist die Politik, Dummkopf!

It's the politics, stupid!

That could make a sig line...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 24th, 2011 at 05:07:22 AM EST
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